According to You: What was Ford’s biggest missed opportunity?

Nesbitt's Ford Carrousel Proposal Richard Nesbitt

Good afternoon and welcome back to According to You!

The answers you provided for this week’s prompt were pretty fantastic, and we were even lucky enough to catch the eye of celebrated designer Richard “Dick” Nesbitt, a man whose career at Ford Motor Company speaks for itself. Happily, Dick embraced the “missed opportunity” brief and shared with us some behind-the-scenes information about Ford’s Carrousel minivan proposal, a project he worked on while at Ford’s design studio. We were honored to receive the “Selected and approved” Carrousel renderings, directly from his collection of historical assets. It includes the “Nantucket” proposal, an advanced version of the design that was refined and initially slated for the 1975 model year.

It never reached production. Fundamentally based on the full-frame Econoline and its thirsty V-8, the oil crisis and a round of cost cutting at Ford led to the project’s demise. (Eventually, the Aerostar of the mid-1980s assumed the Ford minivan mantle.) Still, Nesbitt was kind enough to share details about what the development process looked like in those days:

“My Carrousel design proposal was selected and approved for development in 1972. I was a designer with Ford Design assigned to the Light Truck and Tractor Design Studio. My proposal and another (by Ford designer Jim Grey) was done as a full-size ‘Squire’ clay model. I got the passenger side and rear, Jim Grey got the front and driver’s side. After several design clinic reviews, my proposal was selected. I was asked to design a new front for the drivable prototype supervised by Project Engineer George Peterson.”

Richard Nesbitt

Nesbitt was also kind enough to show us his “Family Van design concept,” made in 1963 … when he was still in high school! The decades of ideation behind the minivan proves that some ideas are just waiting for the right company to make them. On that note, let’s proceed with more examples of missed opportunities at the Blue Oval.

Not keeping Iacocca

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Any automotive historian knows the great Lee Iacocca, and the idea for the aforementioned Carrousel vanished for a decade amid his departure from Ford. He was instrumental in the creation of the Ford Mustang. He saved Chrysler. And @audiobycarmine made it very clear what Ford did wrong, summed up in four words: “Lee Iacocca as CEO.”

Then again, Iacocca wasn’t perfect. He was quoted in Bob Lutz’s book, Icons and Idiots, with this poorly aged gem: “You picked a good time to leave Ford, lemme tell ya! Those potato cars (Taurus and Sable) they’re coming out with are gonna bomb.”

Killing off cars

2018 Ford Fusion recall brake hose 2023
2018 Ford Fusion Ford

This one is pretty self explanatory, but let’s keep in mind that all the cars Ford canceled (Focus, Fiesta, Taurus, Fusion) were in their late days only selling with heavy incentives and considerable frustrations for dealers and Dearborn executives alike. Maybe they didn’t have to all die in one fell swoop, but clearly the higher-ups at Ford were confident something had to change. Still, maybe just throw us one car aside from the Mustang?

@Russel: I was all set to buy a Focus ST when Ford killed pretty much everything car-like other than the Mustang. Talk about a slap in the face to anyone who didn’t want a truck, SUV or Mustang. Why does Ford think people don’t want cars? All they need to do is look out the window (do ivory towers have windows?) and play “count the Corollas”. So my contribution would be “cars” in general. (BTW, I bought a WRX.)

@Owen: Ford’s biggest mistake was dropping all their car models – not everyone wants or can afford a $100K SUV or pickup truck. It gauls me they dropped the Focus Station Wagon back in 2008. I’ve owned a 2005 since new and it’s the best Ford I’ve ever owned. I’ve been buying new Ford’s for 44 years. My first one was a 79 T-Bird which I still own. Ford just doesn’t listen to their customers and neither does GM or Chrysler. My next car won’t be a Ford sorry to say because they aren’t making anything I want to buy anymore….very, very sad.

@Mike: I think the demise of the Fusion, Focus and Fiesta in the US market will be a decision that they will regret. And will Ford please stop teasing us with that ActiveX Fusion based Station Wagon (there, I said it, the unmentionable word, Station Wagon). I’m a lifetime Ford guy. I wanted an all wheel drive wagon (not an SUV) and they forced me to schlep over to Buick for a TourX. (A lovely car that, par for the course, GM killed as soon as I bought one!) And now I’m over to Subaru for an Outback (which has the worst ergonomics and is a rolling driver distraction to operate.)

@snailish: Ford giving up on North America getting the Focus. I have a decades-long bias against little cars ingrained by my upbringing. I test drove a 2019 Focus amongst other things and had to eat crow. It was a great car and I seriously considered buying it, and the RS version is still tempting (just not at the price point they seem to demand still).

Turning to Personal Luxury

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In the late 1950s, Ford did the right thing by switching the Thunderbird to a four-seat, personal luxury touring car. But 1958 isn’t 2023. The T-bird outsold the Corvette for decades until Ford killed it first 1997, revived it, and then killed it once again in 2005 (when it went back to its 1955 roots). Now that the Corvette can boast nearly twenty years of unanswered sales from the big bird, do we think going the luxury route was really the right move?

@DUB6: Considering how many Corvettes there are in the world, and how many things center around that brand (clubs, parts, collections, sales, etc.), it seems to me that Ford missed its opportunity when it turned the Thunderbird into a personal luxury car. Starting as a 2-seat American sports car to compete with the plastic Chevy, the T-Bird of the mid-’50s has shown that it could be every bit as attractive and fun as early Corvettes, but FoMoCo abandoned the idea too quickly. When I think of where it could have gone (think Ford GT, for instance), it just seems to me that continuing to put Thunderbirds up against Corvettes might have given Ford a sports car following that rivals Chevy’s entry.

@Tim: The T-Bird is an interesting animal. On one hand, it was a two-door, two-seat sports car to begin its life, and it should arguably have stayed that way. Imagine what it might have become over the generations. However, one wonders if the market truly hard room for both the Thunderbird and Corvette. On the other hand, one could argue that Ford took the proper approach and make the T-Bird into the car that more people wanted. Sales figures certainly leaped ahead after the it morphed into the car that no one really wanted yet many more people really wanted. In my mind, the first-gen Thunderbird was great, and after that, it took a long time to be great again. We had a turbo coupe in the ’80s, and although it wasn’t at all like Gen 1, it was a pretty great car in its segment.

@snailish: I agree that T-bird has been several different things entirely, and if properly developed several of them probably could have lasted decades. I’d love to see a modern SuperCoupe personal luxury effort.

Not following Europe’s lead?

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Ford of Europe has made some extremely impressive cars for middle-class Europeans, while Dearborn’s expertise remains larger, thirstier vehicles for Americans. That said, good luck finding a European with catalytic converters and/or fuel injection back then … but I digress.

When Ford of Europe first worked hand-in-hand with the U.S. mothership on the 1980 Escort, it became the first “World Car” and inspiration for today’s Fusion (USA), Mondeo (EU), and Taurus (China). It was truly a shared initiative, and you can read the details about it here. But could the two businesses collaborated more, and sooner? Hagerty Community member @Thomas might be on to something:

“I believe the largest of Ford missed opportunity was not using their Europe/ UK division’s to design and assist with the development of the small / efficient cars and engines that the North American market required in the ’70s. The Pinto and others just didn’t achieve their goals and let the Japanese makers in the market get established as a leader of that segment. Ford of all the BIG 3 had the global work force and talent to create something special, if they did maybe there would be a small Ford on the road in place of the Corolla!”

Killing models and bringing them back

Compact vs. Midsize Ranger
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Vehicles cease production for reasons other than low demand, but it’s still a shame to see the rise and fall of famous brands from the Blue Oval. As @Michael put it:

“Ford has a weird thing of taking a successful product then killing it only to bring it back. The Ford Ranger should have never stopped production. Ford should have made the third generation Ranger with 4 doors. The market seems to respond to a non-full size 4 door truck. The Ford Taurus which saved Ford was discontinued then brought back now discontinued. Ford should have built a better performance model of the popular Fusion. A six speed turbocharged sport suspension Fusion would have attracted those who didn’t want to pay BMW pricing but wanted a performance midsize sedan.”

Ford did build the Fusion Sport with the F-150’s beefy 2.7-liter twin-turbo V-6, but with a six-speed automatic only.

Excursion, Flex, and Ranchero

Ford Ranchero
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And the flip side of the previous thought is the fact that Ford killed off some seriously cool machines … for good.

@snailish: Ford Flex… one of the most neglected sales success stories ever. They are good and people loved them. But it seemed like Ford didn’t even want to admit they offered them.

@Charles: Ford really blew it when they kept the Explorer instead of keeping the Excursion with just using Diesel motors: just look on eBay to see what the internet thinks. My 2004 Excursion with the 6.0 Diesel has 282,000 miles on and still gets almost 20 mpg at 80 mph, it still has all front and rear end parts as originally installed at the factory.

Screwing Robertson screws

Peter Lymburner Robertson

This was a new one to me, but apparently we coulda had more of these instead of the fasteners we now see in America had it not been for Henry Ford. Or as @snailish put it:

“Henry Ford played hardball with the Robertson screw inventor, resulting in an inferior option (Phillips) becoming a standard. We continue to pay the price for this today (every time I have to deal with a rusty screw on my Mustang…)

Something more Model A-like?

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My apologizes to the product planners behind the Ford EcoSport, but the anodyne styling did not do it any favors. Some of our commenters think a Model A for the modern era could have been a success. Would the EcoSport have been a good candidate with proper treatment?

@Old Coot: With how new cars are getting lighter and the population older (ie, we don’t like to crawl DOWN into these stupid little roller skate cars with our bad knees and backs), and with the common love of Model A’s, Ford is missing a sales opportunity by not making a new Model A look-alike, with a 3-cylinder engine / plug-in hybrid. Sure these old body styles are not streamlined, and not as safe as many cars to day, but with a little head scratching I think they could make it safer and give us old coots one more chance to enjoy nostalgia (with updated tech) before cars are phased out and we all are forced to live sterile boring lives in high rises.

@Dennis: Agreed 100%. They all should go both ways. I like my AWD in winter but a little wagon set up to run with low hp and be a gas sipper. I don’t know how they think? A lot of people don’t want a computer screen or pull a 40’ trailer. Some just to want to get 50+ mpg. My Escort wagon 5 speed manual could get 34 mpg with a radio and a/c. Keep it simple stupid. Not everyone is feeling e cars are the answer.

@Ben: I agree with the Old Coot about diving into low slung vehicles. I’ve owned some nice Mustangs, but found that the older I get the harder it is to maneuver entry and exit. My solution was the Dodge Challenger. Good looking, easy access, 2 door and extremely comfortable!

Separation of Body and Frame?

Let’s face it, modern trucks are hard to deal with when the warranty expires. They are very complex, and components can be rather hard to access. Some think Fords should still be easy to repair for fleet managers and shade tree wrenches. Hagerty community member @Dale puts this notion into context:

“Ford’s biggest missed opportunity is the current F-150’s and Super Dutys. Ram is catching up to Ford’s trucks (if you believe Consumers Report’s testing). The switch to weight reduction with aluminum bodies was a great move, but there is a big gorilla in the garage that no one is talking about. I am referring to cab and box removal required for serious (gas and Diesel) engine service.

Remain a leader, and take the bold step of designing a tilt front end to ease engine service. All service mechanics and fleet managers will thank you, Ford. It is not rocket science – they did it with the immensely successful C-Series – why not now with their light duty trucks (and some SUVs)? Will GM or Ram beat Ford to it?”

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Comments

    Ford made a great product with the second generation Taurus. They were not as bulbous as the first generation, and not cliche-tacky like the following fishbowl model that sealed its fate. The Taurus had everything it needed to compete, except support from its own creator. Honda and Toyota are mainstays with their Accord and Camry, and Ford could have had a slice of that pie. Same story with the Fusion. Ford did all the right things, and owners loved their Fusions, especially the hybrid and plug-in hybrid models, which quietly served as humble but reliable cars.

    Where is Ford going now? Their products are plagued with questionable quality (again), and they don’t make a mainstream passenger car. This is not looking good for Ford.

    I’m happy I never strayed from Honda. They don’t have any 2 door “fun” cars anymore though.

    Let’s hope the electrification of the auto industry doesn’t relegate the automobile to bring a mundane appliance.

    If Ford had agressively marketed and developed the nifty 2 door Thunderbird revival version from the 2000s like they did the Mustang, they would still be selling updated generations of two-seater Bird today. Mine is still the best Ford I ever owned, and everyone still asks if i want to sell mine to this day! People even ask me if they can take have their picture taken with my car. What does that tell you about a car that should have never been discontinued?

    When it comes to this kind of story on the web it shows how people only look at the surface and not the real underlining rocky bottom.

    Think the things like this mini van are small potatoes as it was earlier and RWD. Timing as much as product are important. Who knows it could have failed and prevented the Chrysler success.

    Fords biggest failures have mostly been quality also mis management as we see today. The worst thing ever was when a Ford was I charge outside Henry’s early years and Edsel before his premature death.

    Imagine if Edsel had lived with his vision?

    Stuff like eliminating cars recently is just what the industry is doing. The market is driving this.

    The TBird was it a mistake? Both GM and Ford struggled with the 2 seat cars but GM got lucky by the heads sticking it out in the tough years.

    One of Ford most major mistakes has been going Aluminum in the F150. It has cost them a large slice of profits in the trucks.

    Ford made a major mistake with increasing the cost of the second GT. If they could have lowered the cost of the first Gen they would have sold volumes.

    Fords handling of Lincoln has been a major crime. They are on borrowed time.

    Holding on to Lee would have eliminated most of the screw ups mentioned, and the German Fords have always been good cars (and trucks, the Ranger is a European design which is the heart of European contractors). My only comment about the Flex is that they should have come up with a woodgrain option and called it the County Squire.

    Iacocca had to go…he was plotting a coup with Ford’s Board of Directors. Henry Ford II got tipped off and told the board “it’s him (Iacocca) or me”. The board – correctly – chose Mr. Ford. Iacocca may have been brilliant, but he was also disloyal.

    whoever said ford didnt use other divisions didnt ask MAZDA.
    why? ford DID use them in the 80/90s to develop small cars for australia.
    because the Falcon cost so much to develop, ford australia were kinda looking down the back of the couch for money

    you forgot the escort and mercury tracers were (323) from MAZDA. how? ford australia had the controlling stake (over 50%) since scaled back it was because the rotary engine sent the company broke several times.

    and also NOT bringing the ford falcon with the amazing BARRA engine back to USA shores as your crown victoria…
    and the reason? red tape from NTHSA & greedy australian workers unions who demanded the cars be made there .

    I inherited a Merkur Scorpio. Fantastic car. Designed for the autobahn with smooth ride, nice leather interior, good mileage and decent power. When the clutch on the cooling fan broke, the parts price, at 10X a US car, set me back. Then the heater went down and the bill was 2 grand. Goodbye car.

    The Ford Explorer Sport Trac 4 wheel drive 4.0 litre V6 had 4 timing chains. If you didn’t baby that engine with frequent oil changes, cold weather warm ups and never overheating etc.. you might have gotten 150,000 miles. Rebuilding not feasable and used engines not worth it. Dumb engine in a great vehicle for sure. Ask me how I know….

    How about screwing up on all those European brands Ford bought:
    Jaguar, Landover, Aston Martin, Volvo?

    If you compare total numbers on Corvettes vs T-birds sold since 1955, Ford made the smarter moves. Dropping the Ranger was dumb, but, as with the death of passenger cars and the rise of huge pickups, the trend is driven by perverse US mileage, safety and pollution laws.

    Pushing Expensive (High profit) vehicles & cancelling vehiles that they “Could” sell lots of ike Honda/Toyota/Hyundai ect ect (economies of scale) are what damage the big 3–In otherwords Greed–

    The Thunderbird was never a sports car, I don’t even know if you can technically call it a two seater, it had a bench seat! The T-Bird didn’t really have any sporting intentions from the start. It was the first personal luxury car, it just didn’t have a back seat making it just a little more “personal”.

    Even though I’m a GM person, I’ve always loved early big T-Birds. I think Ford made a great move when they went to the “Square Bird” in 58. Ford created a market segment with that car that lead to some of the best looking and most interesting cars to ever come out of Detroit. If it weren’t for the four seat T-Bird we may never have gotten the 63-65 Riviera, the 60-64 T-Bird (especially the Sport Roadsters), the 62 Grand Prix, the 65-67 Grand Prix (mainly the 67), the 69-70 Grand Prix, the 70-72 Monte Carlo, the 66-67 Toronado and the 67-70 Eldorado.

    The big mistake Ford made with the T-Bird was the bloated, redesigned 67, and adding two extra doors to the 67.

    You meant the ’61-’64 T-Birds. The ones that looked like speedboats. The ’60 Bird was the last of the Square Birds that were introduced in ’58. My uncle had a white ’58 that I thought was the coolest car around. Particularly with its four bucket style seats. I don’t know how much impact those cars had on the development of the Rivera, but that was also a great car. In ’62, when I was 16, my dad bought a new Buick Wildcat (a package for the Invicta at the time), and Buick introduced the Riviera the next year. He really wanted a Riv, but couldn’t afford to take the depreciation hit on the Wildcat. I’ve always quietly wanted a Riv myself ever since.

    Ford has a talent for screwing up great brands that they have already sunk the costs to create. Not only do most people get an award if they can identify what body a T-Bird occupied from the late 60’s on, but, to demonstrate their failure to learn from their own mistakes, I offer the four door Mustang Mach E as evidence. I was a Ford employee from the late 60s to the early 80s and had a couple of the early Fox Body cars (Capri and Mustang) as executive lease cars. Even in that era of boring vehicles (’73 and later), those were a bastion of hope for us real car guys. I still have a ’69 Mustang convertible. Now they offer an electric station wagon.

    We had a 2002 Excursion with the 7.3 Turbo Diesel, gave it a tuner and it performed remarkably and could easily pull a 8K Lb trailer with no effort at all. I got it up to 20 MPG without the trailer (of Course, with a family of 5 and 2 dogs. The only thing that caused me to sell it was not using it and the price of diesel. Still miss that beast and sorry FORD took it off the market thanks to all the GM negative publicity.

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