29 August 2014

Generation Gap: GTO

Today on “Generation Gap,” we’re visiting the Lingenfelter Collection. Known for Lingenfelter Performance Engineering, Ken Lingenfelter was kind enough to let us experience some of his personal cars. Being able to check a few cars off our “bucket list,” we decided to compare GTOs. Davin has picked the aggressive muscle of a 1969 GTO Judge, equipped with a 366 HP 400 V-8 High Output engine with Ram Air III. Matt picked a bit of a cheater 2006 GTO. The modern GTO is straight from GM Performance with a Twin Turbo LS2 with 750 HP. Which one would you rather drive?

Voting for this episode of “Generation Gap” has ended.

92 Reader Comments

  • 1
    Curtis brown Port Charlotte Fl. September 2, 2014 at 16:37
    I want the 69 Goat! It looks badass. The newer one looks like any other sedan, they just thru the GTO label on it to try to get more sales, didn't work.
  • 2
    Carter Hall Glasgow,ky September 2, 2014 at 17:35
    The old Gto
  • 3
    Ryan Indianapolis, IN September 2, 2014 at 19:32
    I've always been a huge fan of the original "Judge" and would give my left *** to own one BUT...I tend to care more about the thrill of the experience than just making a statement so I lean towards the raw power and performance of the 1 of 1 2006er.
  • 4
    Checi Zagreb, Croatia September 2, 2014 at 22:22
    ...i woud rader drive a new one, its just better package. Even i like classic but when i imaging my self in a city of Zagreb or any other Eropean city including whole USA, 2006 GTO is bull eye. I would also think about install LPG. So in a city LPG on a road pure Gas.
  • 5
    Guy Ogan Texas September 3, 2014 at 15:20
    For cruising or hanging at the malt shop, "the old goat" would get the nod (and a lot more thumbs up from those who saw it). For cross-country trips or driving it hard on a road course, the new version would have be a bit more civilized on trips and a better through the S's!
  • 6
    kip helsel lowell indiana September 3, 2014 at 15:57
    I am a huge fan of the 1970 gto but with that said I would not sell my 2004 gto to buy one. guess I will have to keep saving up so I can own both.
  • 7
    Jim Waterford Mi. September 3, 2014 at 16:00
    I feel [like most items] 'the first original edition is better than a second'.
  • 8
    Kevin C. Appel Porty Jefferson NY September 3, 2014 at 16:06
    The 69 GTO is fine all the way around, a better car in many ways. I think its value will stand the test of time......
  • 9
    Carl nh September 3, 2014 at 16:23
    Having owned several 1964-70 GTO's from new or bought only a few years old I'll take the new one any day. Pontiac never put enough serious effort into real performance from the 326 to 455 and the lack of aftermarket back then really nails the point home. Except for NASCAR and race prepped Trans Am the handling and braking was horrible as was build quality.
  • 10
    John D. New Haven, Conn September 3, 2014 at 16:34
    I'd actually love to see a Generation Gap for the original GTOs: The 1962-4 Ferrari 250 GTO and the 1984-87 Ferrari 288 GTO!
  • 11
    shane Australia September 3, 2014 at 04:34
    That wide body needs to be rebadged as a holden monaro and sent back to australia... love it
  • 12
    Doug Trotter Columbus, Ohio September 3, 2014 at 16:38
    The Judge for sure
  • 13
    john Spencerport NY September 3, 2014 at 16:45
    NOT ORBIT ORANGE ! Carousel Red , Orbit Orange was 1970 color. (more like a school bus color)
  • 14
    Greg Plainville,Ma. September 3, 2014 at 16:47
    Love the 69 Judge (have one!) and I would like to see the 06 widebody in carousel red paint with a judge stripe.
  • 15
    Van Valdosta, GA. September 3, 2014 at 16:48
    I remember riding in my uncle's brand new dark green '69 GTO as a kid and I thought it was the coolest car I had ever seen or ridden in. I've always wanted one but haven't been fortunate enough to own one myself. The '06 may have the power edge but in my opinion, Pontiac blew it on the new body style. If they had made it look a bit more retro like Ford did with the Mustang and Dodge has done with the Challenger, it would have been a major hit. I have to go with the TRUE muscle car - the '69 Judge!
  • 16
    Jerry moore Paradise Ca. September 3, 2014 at 16:52
    I have a 2005 GTO so I would try out the 69 first. I had a 64 and a 66.
  • 17
    Richard Doss Columbus Ohio September 3, 2014 at 16:56
    I have a 2006 GTO quicksilver with red interior 18 inch factory rims and a 6 speed..........love it. It is fast and stock. I had a 68 GTO convertible blue with white interior 400 ram air III 4 speed in the mid 70's. Man it would fly. I wish I still had it. Give me the old muscle over the new any day. Worth a whole bunch of money too.
  • 18
    Richard Doss Columbus Ohio September 3, 2014 at 17:00
    I have a 2006 GTO quicksilver with red interior 18 inch factory rims and a 6 speed..........love it. It is fast and stock. I had a 68 GTO convertible blue with white interior 400 ram air III 4 speed in the mid 70's. Man it would fly. I wish I still had it. Give me the old muscle over the new any day. Worth a whole bunch of money too.
  • 19
    John Spencerport NY September 3, 2014 at 17:09
    The color of the 1969 GTO Judge is "Carousel Red", not the "Orbit Orange" which was a 1970 color only.
  • 20
    Dimola New York City September 3, 2014 at 17:11
    There is nothing like driving a 69 to 72 gto hands down .its just a bad ass cool ride . New cars don't have the rawwwww.....gto muscle style steals the show...sorry new kids on the block
  • 21
    Joe Richmond, VA September 3, 2014 at 18:15
    Neither. Make mine a '67 GTO. But if I had to choose, I'd go for the '69 since I'd never use either car as a daily driver.
  • 22
    Marty Vancouver WA September 3, 2014 at 18:34
    True the 2006 GTO has the power but in 1969 the Judge was a strong competitor to what was available at that time. The Judge was and is a very cool car, and very collectable. For me I do prefer the 1965 GTO, and Hagerty ran a story about me and my 1965 GTO back on June 3, 2014. Check it out. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/Articles/2014/06/03/Got-the-Goat Marty..
  • 23
    Eric Lapeer, MI September 3, 2014 at 18:40
    I own a classic GTO, and love every minute I'm on the road with it. But, 40 years of advancements make the new GTO Widebody a much better car, especially with the twin turbos. The exclusivity of a one-off vehicle would definitely make the '06 concept GTO my choice. Australian or not, that's one bad-butt Pontiac.
  • 24
    SSIKNSS Huntington Beach, CA September 3, 2014 at 18:40
    The gene or car pool for the old GTO far exceeds the interest and following of the new GTO. However, the new GTO owners do have a passion for their cars. As the Beatles put it, "we all shine on" and one day the new guard will prevail along with rice rocket generation. For now, I will be the "Judge" and vote old.
  • 25
    Daniel Gaeng Missouri September 3, 2014 at 19:04
    Neither. 1964. The first. The best.
  • 26
    Sam Fisher Madera CA September 3, 2014 at 19:11
    I own a 69 Judge, the color is Carousel Red (really Hugger Orange borrowed from Chevy), not Orbit Orange (that color come out in 70). The Rally II wheels need to lose the trim rings, The Judge never had them. Awesome car in a straight line, love it when the secondaries kick in, a little lacking in the brakes and handling, unless you have disc up front. But, in 1969 it was a force to be reckoned with.
  • 27
    J Cassle West Texas September 3, 2014 at 19:28
    Hey, a 350 shot and some good skins on the 69....... now compare that to the one off Chevy powered ricer look alike.
  • 28
    Joe Iowa September 3, 2014 at 19:33
    The 69 Judge is a real classic. He had the color wrong. It's Carousel Red, the matching Chevy color was Orbit Orange.
  • 29
    Brian Olivier Raymond NH September 3, 2014 at 20:26
    I will take the classic any day performance by man not a computer. Break down on the side of the road and see who is running quicker .1969 GTO check for fuel and spark 2006 GTO call the tow truck not even worth opening the hood. Not to mention the 1969 is worth more than the 2006 and will keep climbing in value.
  • 30
    Jeff Clark Ohio September 3, 2014 at 20:57
    Twice he refered to the 69 Judge as "Orbit Orange". That was a 1970 color. This 69 is "Carousel Red". Great episode, though!
  • 31
    Deuler Allen, Tx September 3, 2014 at 21:00
    I have a soft spot for the " Judge" ....... but, I own a 2005.....so, I choose both.
  • 32
    Joe Long Island September 3, 2014 at 21:05
    The 69 is not orbit orange, it's carousel red. As well why wouldn't you compare a standard 06 instead of a custom? Joe
  • 33
    Michael Baton Rouge, LA September 3, 2014 at 21:06
    Although I own a "new" 2004 GTO (bought new ten years ago), I voted for the '69. I do not like the wide body kit on the 2006.
  • 34
    Judge Owner NJ September 3, 2014 at 21:40
    um, the color is cardinal red, not orbit orange. I am disappointed they would make a mistake like that. he even emphasizes the wrong color, idiot. Don't they do research before they do this? 69 Judge all the way
  • 35
    craig Northern Michigan September 3, 2014 at 22:01
    69's are the car to have the new one may be fast but dose not have a kool look .The new one looks just like another Pontiac Grand Am .Oh by the way these guys have the name of the color wrong ! It's ( Carousel Red for 1969 , code 72 ) witch is a Deep Orange color Chevy called it Hugger Orange code 72 witch came on 1969 Camaro's .Pontiac did have a off Orange color in 1970 that came on the Judge called Orbit Orange .If you like old movie flicks check out ( Two Lane Black Top) a Orbit Orange GTO with Judge strips is it.
  • 36
    Tom Waukegan, IL September 3, 2014 at 22:08
    Nostalgia says old, I'm not techy enough for new - and it is one of - but DAMN! Love the performance! I'd take either or both in a heartbeat!
  • 37
    chuck new jersey September 3, 2014 at 22:31
    The Judge is a real Pontiac with a Pontiac engine, the new GTO is a rebadged Chevy (Commodore) from Australia. The only thing GTO about it is the GTO badge. But I must say that thing seems to really get it done. Chuck
  • 38
    Rodster Oklahoma September 3, 2014 at 22:47
    just as 06 was the last year of the Holden/goat, 69 was the last true classic GTO. 70 evolved to a huge paperweight. the Holden had so much more evolution to come. But just as always GM does not want to upstart its entry level Chevrolet. Might have worked better in 04 with a different name/badge. Love them both.
  • 39
    Gary Ontario Ca. September 3, 2014 at 23:01
    If i had a choice i would go with the 2006 for performance only. But for looks i would pick the 1969 GTO.
  • 40
    Larry Washington September 3, 2014 at 23:53
    I have a 1965 GTO , 3 deuces and a 4 speed convertible, you are what you drive. I see a newer one and can't til what it is til I can read the ememblem. Looks like any other car.
  • 41
    Walt NJ September 4, 2014 at 18:45
    Gimme a break the 69 Judge is a dream machine. The awesome looks alone kill the plastic techno turbo car. Plus, its a "one of one" car. Not even worth bringing the stupid thing in as a comparison car. Good job by the two guys in the video.
  • 42
    James Eley Coastal South Texas September 4, 2014 at 19:09
    I like them both but I'm partial, the 2005-2006 & 6.0 editions being I have the 400 horse stock- Yellow Jacket color. Its a pleasure to drive and I get the compliments too.
  • 43
    Jim Sulzbach Madison, OH. September 4, 2014 at 07:20
    There is only ONE GTO and that is a PONTIAC
  • 44
    Steve USA September 4, 2014 at 19:34
    I feel the new GTO was a disappointment, owning a 1970 GTO Convertable I was expecting more of the heritage to be displayed in the new model.
  • 45
    Joe Tampa, FL September 4, 2014 at 09:01
    Orbit Orange was a 1970 color. It was not offered in 1969. Oops!
  • 46
    John Michigan September 4, 2014 at 09:05
    Major pet peeve. Videos like this that go through writers, editors and "experts" yet still contain misinformation. The '69 Judge is CAROUSEL RED, NOT ORBIT ORANGE !!! I stopped watching the video as soon as those words reached my ears.
  • 47
    Bryan Nearing East Hartford, Ct September 4, 2014 at 09:12
    I have been a Pontiac enthusiast for 50 years and currently own a 1969 GTO. GM fans where left behind in styling and appearance, as most looked for the retro design. I know that I was most disappointed with the new generation version. It may have the performance, but it lacks so much more.
  • 48
    joe szarek Pa. September 4, 2014 at 21:13
    I owned a 1967 GTO ragtop back in high school. The Judge came out in 1969 and between the 2 in your video, if not for the badges,you really couldn't tell what the 2006 was. I was not impressed when Pontiac came back put with the GTO. As for the performance...the 06 has a lot less body weight, has twin turbos & is fuel injected. I really don't think it measures up to being a "TRUE" muscle car.... But it was a good video anyway.
  • 49
    Jim Mason Michigan September 4, 2014 at 21:31
    Owning all Real Pontiac GTO'S and performance Pontiacs, 2006 and the rest of the so called Pontiacs,GTO are just a name, Not Really Manufactured By PONTIAC MOTOR DIVISION.
  • 50
    Terry bowman United States September 4, 2014 at 09:42
    My real GTO Preference would be 64-67.
  • 51
    Joe Tampa, FL September 4, 2014 at 09:45
    Too bad that isn't Orbit Orange. Additonally, Orbit Orange wasn't offered in 1969. Orbit Orange was a 1970 color and was more yellow than orange. Oops.
  • 52
    Greg Andover, MN September 4, 2014 at 09:47
    Orbit Orange? That was a 1970 color. Carousel Red is correct, although it looks orange. Interesting to compare a 1 off SEMA car to a base model from the past. Both are great cars, although they might appeal to different people. I'd rather roll my windows down than push a button and turn a knob for air. And some mods could bring any GTO of that era into a similar performing car, probably for far less. The 2006 sold in 2009 at Barrett Jackson for $93k. Maybe they could dig up a 1970 427 Pontiac Hemi for a similar comparison? PMD performance of the era, and prototype just like the 2006.
  • 53
    Brad Australia September 4, 2014 at 21:56
    That is a rebadged HOLDEN MONARO there rebadged to vaxvall, Pontiac and I think chev, the older MONARO is a Aussie icon this is just crap it's shared by 3 motoring company's so I prefer the 69 GTO
  • 54
    Steve Montana September 4, 2014 at 10:15
    Just as an FYI, the 69 GTO Judge is painted in Carousel Red. It wasn't untill 1970 that Pontiac came out with Orbit Orange, and was a very different color. Other than that it was a great article. Thank you!
  • 55
    CJ Cavada Raleigh,NC September 4, 2014 at 10:34
    The 1969 Judge is Carousel Red not Orbit Orange. Orbit Orange is yellow
  • 56
    Mr Horsepower HighOctaneVille September 4, 2014 at 10:42
    The first Pontiac GTO was the first 'Muscle Car'. The Pontiac GTO 'muscle' came from THE 389 PONTIAC ENGINE UNDER THE HOOD, NOT from the GTO emblems and stickers on the car. The 2006 Pontiac 'GTO' does not have the original Pontiac engine. So it is not a Pontiac muscle car. The distinct characteristics and sounds of a 'Muscle car' COMES FROM THE ENGINE, not from the shape of the body or the name of the stickers on the fenders! GM 'REBADGED' A HOLDEN. REAL, DIEHARD Pontiac enthusiasts and owners will tell you that THE LAST REAL PONTIAC WAS THE LAST 1979 Trans Am powered by a REAL Pontiac 400 engine. (only 8800 W-72 Pontiac 400 engines were left over from 1978 to install in the 1979 Trans Am's)
  • 57
    Marty SoCal September 4, 2014 at 11:23
    GTO = Gas Tires & Oil! I used to own a '69 GTO, so it gets the + vote from me!
  • 58
    GTO Association of America Columbus, OH September 4, 2014 at 11:57
    Regardless of the outcome and the, err, slight mistakes, thank you for highlighting our beloved Pontiac GTO! While the 69 is an icon and most of our membership base would choose that version, the new gen also has a strong following and we would DD the heck out of that thing! I think the only thing that may have made it a touch harder would been to have hit up the GM Heritage Collection and throw the Woodward car out there! But, again, our purpose for commenting is to thank Hagerty for giving the GTO some love. Happy 50th / 10th GTO!!!!
  • 59
    Kirk United States September 4, 2014 at 00:02
    I like to topic, but not the execution. If the 69 is factory stock why did you compare it to a one off prototype with twin turbos? You should have picked a stock LS2. I owned a 70 GTO when it was new and a 2006, also when new. The 06 was a horrible car with many problems that were inherent to all the new GTOs. I sold it after 2 years. Holden did a crappy job trying to recreate a legend.
  • 60
    Eric Danbury Ct September 4, 2014 at 12:22
    I own a 68 and a 2005 love them both drive them both
  • 61
    T. Caster Potterville, Mi September 4, 2014 at 12:33
    69 Judge! Instant recognition, snarly old skool MUSCLE! A TIGER! 2006 GTO? You had to tell me what it was, it looks like everything else on the road. How many of the 750hp versions are actually available to the public?
  • 62
    Peter Northern California September 5, 2014 at 01:02
    I would go for the new one. But, let's call it what it is...It's a Holden Monaro, made in Australia, not a Pontiac.
  • 63
    Kerry Riverview,Mich. September 5, 2014 at 14:22
    The color of the "69 Judge is Carousel Red. The 1970 Judge was Orbit Orange which was a yellow color.
  • 64
    Bob Augusta, GA September 5, 2014 at 17:10
    I'll take them both, sell them both, and get the 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT HellCat.
  • 65
    John Spencerport, NY September 5, 2014 at 10:04
    The obvious color mistake with the carousel red 1969. Plus the car was originally focused to go after the roadrunner. When the original concept was shown to John Delorean he wasn't happy and sent them back and wanted a lot added too it. The Judge ended up the opposite of stripped to meet Delorean's standards. He also wanted the name changed to "The Judge" because he kept seeing Flip Wilson in "Laugh In" saying " Here comes the Judge", so he wanted to give them "The Judge".
  • 66
    abdulelah Saudi Arabia September 5, 2014 at 22:18
    The judge is just awesome
  • 67
    George Niagara on the lake Ontario September 6, 2014 at 18:59
    I go with the Judge. I am somewhat biased as I do have a 1970 GTO Convertible that is Optionally loaded with all but the Judge option. I was disappointed with GM using the Holden for the new GTO, especially after the original prototype. It was much cooler than the final product. The wide body should have been the initial launch and they should not have restricted it to only the U.S.
  • 68
    Brent L Dowling Wyoming September 6, 2014 at 20:35
    Classic GTO is beautiful but the performance of the new is awesome. The new GTO needs the car as good as the motor. I had a 2005 GTO. Truck tranny and small car brakes.
  • 69
    Mark Northeast Pa. September 6, 2014 at 22:05
    The 69 Judge for brute muscle car feel and looks. The 06 with 750 horse twin turbo, never saw one but it is a great looking and performing car, should have had a stock new gen. GTO to make this a little more realistic. Bottom line, the 69. P.S leave it to GM to screw up Pontiac the way they did, I bet those fools are having second thoughts now.
  • 70
    Paul Acri Webster, NY September 6, 2014 at 23:47
    I owned 2 GTO's in the past. A red 65 convertible, 389ci tri-power, 365 hp, 4 speed, 3.90 gear car and a red 67 convertible, 400ci, 360hp, 4 speed, 3.90 gear car. Wish I had kept them both (long gone !). I'll take the Judge any day of the week !
  • 71
    justin weiand United States September 6, 2014 at 00:11
    The old gto was a tempest with a big engine. The new one is a holden with a big engine. Both were meant to go fast 1st & look good 2nd. = GTOs
  • 72
    Mac Indiana September 7, 2014 at 20:51
    The 69 is a GM Pontiac GTO........the 06 is a GM hot rod with GTO badges.......GM should have kept Pontiac instead of letting China sales convince them to keep Buick!......I own 4 Pontiacs....0 Buicks.
  • 73
    John Florida September 7, 2014 at 09:44
    Go for the 69' cause it's always going to win!
  • 74
    John Florida September 7, 2014 at 11:59
    Go for the 69' cause it's always going to win!
  • 75
    Steve Jones Paradise, CA September 8, 2014 at 14:30
    While the newer model GTO has all the benefits of modern technology, there's just no substitute for the classic lines of the 60's series. Besides, my '67 convertible isn't depreciating and the comments I get from true aficionados are priceless!! Try and get that in the new models!!
  • 76
    Jared Florida September 9, 2014 at 11:41
    I'll take the 06(although both are awesome)
  • 77
    tommy new jersey September 10, 2014 at 17:29
    I own a 64 GTO and a 2005 GTO,,,,My heart lives in my 64 but my need for speed gets satisfied in my 05. I love the looks of both, no matter what the critics say.
  • 78
    Miguel Philippines September 10, 2014 at 12:08
    There is a reason why GM did not name the 06 THE JUDGE because there will only be one JUDGE and that is the '69.
  • 79
    Denise Fond du Lac, WI September 13, 2014 at 13:15
    After owning my 1969 GTO (non-Judge) for 35 years and LOVING it, I have to say it was indeed a difficult choice. These two cars represent the best of both worlds, and I would love to be able to beat the hell out of that 2006!! How do I get a job doing what these guys do???!!! I'd leave my day job in a SECOND!!!
  • 80
    Michael P. Ironville, Kentucky September 15, 2014 at 04:13
    For me the biggest knock on the '06 is the fact that is nothing more than a Holden/Vauxhall Monaro, imported from Australia with Pontiac GTO badges slapped on it. They even released a Coupé4 in Australia with 360hp and all-wheel drive. There was a 427cu inch (560hp) version of the Holden in the pipeline. Only if GM would have done the smart thing and axed Buick or GMC, instead of Pontiac. Have never understood why they didn't do away with GMC anyway. With the sales of GMC and Chevy trucks combined, Ford would not have the title of best selling trucks for the past 500 years.
  • 81
    Jordan Bond Australia September 17, 2014 at 06:41
    I like the 2006 better
  • 82
    David Guillo ny October 9, 2014 at 14:04
    New gto
  • 83
    Norm Catlin Sayre,Pa October 15, 2014 at 19:36
    I`ve owned several of the 60`s era GTO`s so for me ,THE OLDER THE BETTER.
  • 84
    B K St Louis October 26, 2014 at 19:57
    This would have been a much better comparison if a Ram Air IV judge would have been compared to this car or if you chose a car that was not a turbo. Remember this 69 Judge was a car you could buy at any dealer not one that was a GM performance project. A more appropriate comparison would be a Ram Air V car which would have been a more similar comparison and would have been a GM performance package or at the very least a Ram Air IV car. This also should have had the 3.90:1 or the 4:33:1 gear ratio. And lastly Orbit Orange was 1970 Carousel Red was 69. Comparing a turbo car to a non turbo car makes it a un fair comparison. If you drove a 2006 without the twin turbo you would have been a more realistic comparison. I am for the 69
  • 85
    John Australia November 24, 2014 at 19:24
    so that's where the old Holden Monaro ended up didn't sell well here in Australia either
  • 86
    Martin Yapor Albuquerque NM December 8, 2014 at 15:08
    For me I'm very partial to the 2006 Pontiac GTO better known as the Holden Manero. But I still love the 1969 Jonge it's the ultimate classic muscle car. I personally have a 2006 Pontiac GTO spice read the silver gauges and black interior. It's a beautiful car very much.
  • 87
    Brian Bay Area Ca. December 19, 2014 at 03:49
    I still have my fist car a 1969 GTO and 2 years ago I acquired a 2005 GTO both are great cars.
  • 88
    Marq israel Bradenton Florida August 17, 2015 at 20:05
    I vote 2006 GTO all day long!
  • 89
    Kyle Kalbfleisch United States March 5, 2016 at 14:59
    Both Gto's are bad as hell. The 2006 isn't really a Gto, it is an import idea off of Holden, Gm's Australian division. Although they should have changed the name the newer Gto is nicer. More modern technology and so on. The 69 would rely more on mechanics which would be better, but at the same time not. Without the twin turbos I feel that they would be an even match.
  • 90
    Buddy Holt Greenville, NC March 23, 2016 at 21:24
    Great video, but the '69 Judge color was Carousel Red, not Orbit Orange as mentioned in the video. Orbit Orange came the next year...1970.
  • 91
    Pierre Nadeau Hollis, NH April 27, 2016 at 19:13
    Had a 69 GTO and a 79 Trans Am. Loved both but the 69 GTO gets my vote.
  • 92
    Mike Brinkle North Carolina August 2, 2016 at 17:17
    The 1969 Judge was my first and you know how you fell about your first. Wish I had it back.

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