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Hagerty Lists Top 'Threatened, Endangered and Extinct' Cars

Rob Sass

December 03, 2009

The passenger pigeon was once the most common bird in North America. Flocks were said to have blackened the skies. Yet history records that the last passenger pigeon—a bird named “Martha”— died in the Cincinnati Zoo in 1914.

Scant attention, however, was paid to the last chirp of the Plymouth Cricket. Thousands of these British-made captive imports were sold by Chrysler-Plymouth dealers in the early 1970s, yet evidence of it in the automotive fossil record is nearly non-existent. The Chevrolet Monza did an even bigger disappearing act. More than 300,000 Monzas were produced between 1975 and 1980, yet recent sightings have been so infrequent that the Chevy Monza must surely be considered “threatened.”

Other once popular cars have likely disappeared to the extent that they’re “endangered” or even “extinct.” Honestly, when’s the last time anyone saw a Chrysler Cordoba (with or without the “rich Corinthian leather?”)

If someone turns up a running and driving example of a car on the Hagerty “Extinct” list, we’ll happily remove it – when presented with the proper evidence, of course, such as a photo of the car with the owner standing in front of it holding the day’s newspaper. Send your tips to mediaservices@hagerty.com. And, for obvious reasons, we prefer breeding pairs to single cars.

The Hagerty “Threatened” List
Cars originally built in numbers greater than 10,000 of which Hagerty insures fewer than 25

1. 1975-80 Chevrolet Monza: The Monza, based on the infamous Chevy Vega, might well have been the most attractive GM car of the mid-1970s. It was also available with a small V-8 and a manual transmission. Monzas raced successfully, and although the styling was a quality job, build quality wasn’t better than anything else of the era, which may explain the scarcity of survivors.

2. 1963-66 Studebaker Wagonaire: Old station wagons are hot, but few Studebaker Wagonaires ever seem to surface. A pity, as they could be ordered with column shift manual transmissions and V-8s with four barrel carburetors. A unique sliding roof over the cargo area also meant that everything from surfboards to refrigerators could be carried inside.

3. 1971-74 BMW Bavaria: The Bavaria, a precursor to the modern 5-series BMW, followed the successful formula of the 2002 in putting the largest possible engine in the lightest platform – in this case, the 2.8 liter six in the basic 2500 body. Mercedes sedans of the era are still quite common but their competitors from Munich seem to have all but disappeared.

4. 1988 Pontiac Fiero GT: Pitched as an economic commuter car, the four-cylinder mid-engine two-seater was initially no sports car. But by 1988, it had a potent V-6 and a re-worked suspension tuned by Lotus engineers. Alas, it was all for naught. GM killed the car after finally getting it right.

5. 1971-77 Toyota Celica: In 1971 – a little late to the pony car craze – Toyota fielded this Shetland that resembled a miniature Mustang. While it lacked the V-8 engine of a real Detroit pony car, or for that matter the more potent twin-cam home market motors, the first-generation Celica handled pleasantly and was an attractive, well-built car. And as we mentioned, the Liftback was a dead-ringer for a 3/4 scale 1967 Mustang.

The Hagerty “Endangered” List
Cars originally built in numbers greater than 10,000 of which Hagerty insures fewer than 15

1. 1971-76 Mercury Capri: The Capri was Ford of Europe’s answer to the Mustang. Like the Mustang, it was built on rather ordinary sedan underpinnings but the result was handsome, well made and, in the case of the V-6 powered cars, fast. It was quite popular in the early 1970s, selling more than 100,000 units in its first two years. Where they all went is anyone’s guess.

2. 1971-74 Mazda RX-2: The RX-2 was the first rotary-powered car to make an impact in the U.S. market. The engine, built under license from NSU Wankel in Germany, was compact, had few moving parts and ran very smoothly. It also offered V-8 performance in a small car. Unfortunately, it also offered V-8 thirst and when the fuel crisis hit, most early rotary cars disappeared.

3. 1975-81 Volkswagen Scirocco: The first-generation VW Scirocco was positioned as a replacement for the popular Karmann-Ghia. It was a thoroughly modern, VW Rabbit-based, front-wheel drive, water-cooled car with angular styling courtesy of Ital Design and Giorgetto Giugiaro. As rust-prone as anything of the era, the ranks of first-generation Sciroccos have thinned to the point that extinction may loom, particularly for first-year cars with pretty chrome bumpers and funky plaid seats.

4. 1979-81 Toyota Supra: If anyone ever decides to chronicle the history of Toyota’s luxury division, this car has to go down as the proto-Lexus. By adding a few inches of wheelbase, a fancier grille, leather seats and a big, smooth straight six, Toyota discovered that there was a market in the U.S. for Japanese quality and execution in a bigger, cushier and pricier package.

5. 1971 Plymouth Cricket: Produced in the U.K. by Chrysler’s subsidiary, The Rootes Group, it was known there as the Hillman Avenger. Like most captive imports, Chrysler’s heart was never into selling the car in the U.S. and its dealers were perplexed. Chrysler squashed it just before the energy crisis, selling the entire design to Iran’s state car company where it was produced under license. Add that to the Shah’s litany of crimes. As a genuine car guy himself, he should have known better.

Update: The 1971 Cricket was originally listed as "extinct," but a reader – and '71 Cricket owner – has pointed out that his car has been insured by Hagerty since September. We've confirmed his claim and we stand corrected. We're happy to upgrade the car to "endangered" status!

6. 1981-85 Chevrolet Citation X-11: The Citation was one of GM’s X-cars, its first high-volume front-drivers. Any of its stablemates, such as the Oldsmobile Omega, Buick Skyhawk and Pontiac Phoenix, could have made this list, but the X-11 – the performance version of the Citation – was the most interesting and clearly the best candidate for species preservation via a captive breeding program.



The Hagerty “Extinct” List
Cars originally built in numbers greater than 10,000 that Hagerty insures no examples of

1. 1980 Dodge St. Regis: One of the “lost” cars built during Chrysler’s first flirtation with bankruptcy, the St. Regis was a full-sized, four-door sedan with little to distinguish it other than its occasional service with police departments, which were evidently disappointed with the lack of continued availability of the AMC Matador.

2. 1985-86 Chrysler Laser XE: The Chrysler twin to the Dodge Daytona Turbo Z emphasized luxury, but the 2.2 liter turbo engine produced a bit of performance which was unusual for the era. Chrysler’s mediocre build quality at the time and years of deferred maintenance by owners no doubt accounts for the fact that the car has gone the way of leg warmers, really big hair and Men at Work albums as an ‘80s artifact.

3. 1987 Renault/AMC Alliance Convertible: Truth really was stranger than fiction with the Alliance—a French Renault built in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Consumer magazines of the day were dismayed to find out that the Wisconsinites assembled the cars as indifferently as the French. Still, the convertible was interesting as AMC’s fist drop-top since the 1968. We’re hoping that when somebody cuts their grass for the first time since 1992, one of these will turn up.

4. 1983-86 Isuzu Impulse: The Impulse’s Giugiaro styling caused a sensation when it was introduced at the 1979 Geneva Auto Show as the Isuzu Ace of Clubs concept car. Surprisingly, it went into production almost unaltered. Unfortunately, the best Isuzu could do for underpinnings was an uninspired Chevette-derived chassis. The clay mockup may have handled better. Later versions had chassis tuning by Lotus and more competent handling.

Comments

  1. I would also add almost anything made my Japan prior to 1970 as extinct and anything made by Japan prior to 1985 as endangered. These little cars made of scrap metal rusted themselves silly before being put out of their misery. Our neighbor bought a brand new Datsun B210 in 1975 (he wasn`t too bright) and it literally had rot holes in 2 years time.

  2. I have owned many cars now considered collectable, 60 T-Bird, several suicide door Lincolns and Mark IIIs, 72 Ranchero GT, the first Honda Accord, 50th anniverseray 300ZX to mention a few. Right now I own a 1985 Honda Civic 1500S (w/carburetor and gets 50mpg) 1989 XJS V12, VW Westafalia van, a 87 Fiero SE and lastly a wonderful Mazda B2000 pick-up (to carry parts for all the others). I am always amazed at the people who seem to miss great buys on future collectables, calling them junk, or missing what it is that makes any car "collected", as many have missed it and commented here. Any piece of history is interesting and there will always be a person who wants it, gets it, and will make it new again. That is what collecting is about, oh, and if you don`t have your head up you &%#, you can make some real money having lots of fun.

  3. Hagerty, PLEASE LIST THESE ENDANGERED K-CARS FROM CANADA THAT ARE NOW EXTINCT, OR ALMOST! 1983-1985 Plymouth Caravelle K Coupe 1983-1985 Plymouth Caravelle E Body 4dr Sedan Real serious on this. Also, 1982-1983 Dodge 400 Coupe 1982-1983 Dodge 400 4dr Sedan 1982-1983 Chrysler LeBaron Coupe 1982-1983 Chrysler LeBaron 4dr Sedan. Thank you. Mr. Guy V.Coulombe The Chrysler K-Car Club Club president and founder www.chryslerkcar.com/forum 818-219-2587

  4. I just bought a 1975 Monza 2+2 V8 - the first year model - one of 25,000 built. took about a week to find a nice one under 3000. Thery`re out there but usually drivers, or have had an engine conversion. about a third were V8s. I found an original in nice shape for 2500.

  5. I bought a new Plymouth Cricket in 1972. It was a pretty crummy car, but I still have great memories of it. Some of it`s weird quirks: when it was raining, you right foot would get wet, when you let the clutch out, but only in first gear. The rear window, leaked so badly, that the cardboard boot started growing some sort of plants up the rear window. So much water got into the trunk, that I eventually drilled a hole in the floor, to let the water out. I will say it did run great, never had any engine trouble with it. It was pretty quick, for what it was, and was fun to drive. Wouldn`t mind finding one now, but certainly not to use as a daily driver. Great article, brought back some memories

  6. I own Honda S-600 with a Capri V6 2800cc,Holley390, Cam, Headers and A Offey manifold. This a combo of two of these great cars

  7. Your list is disappointing. Most of those NAMED are cars are still around. What about these ONCE common, now very rare cars?? 1) 1977-79 Chrysler LeBaron and Dodge Diplomat COUPES 2) 1980-83 Pontiac Phoenix notchback coupe 3) Fiat X19 4) Renault Le Car 5)Renault 18i 6)1979-82 Mazda 626 RWD 7)1977-80 Mazda GLC RWD 8)1975-81 Pontiac Sunbird 9)1978-81 Pontiac Grand LeMans coupe *There are more out there

  8. I own a 1986 Renault Alliance Convertible. It no longer runs. Needs a new transmission but I adore that car. I am donating it to the National Veterans Service because I cannot afford to get it fixed due to an economic layoff 2 yrs ago.

  9. I saw a VW Scirocco in Traverse City this week!

  10. My friends parents had a brand new Citation, one year later it was rusting through the fenders. With mechanical problems the car was a piece of junk. Took GM 30 years later to go bankrupt, they deserved it.

  11. a craigslist wide search found results for all these vehicles except the cricket. Thta turned up parts

  12. I reference to the Capris, I remember my parents owned a 73 Capri with the V6 and a 4spd. Now, being of high school age when muscle cars could be had for under $1k I had plenty of prey when cruise night came. I certainly don't endorse street racing but I can tell you I embarrased many a muscle car owner, that's for sure!

  13. I purchased a 79 Toyota Supra LB back in 1990. I also have a 67 Mustang FB GT,which I bought in 84. It's the second one I've had, but the toyota with it 6cyl-5 speed, fuel injection, 4 wheel disc brakes was very impressive to drive. It handled great and was very dependable. I've kept it in the garage for the last 10 yrs or so, thinking of restoring it but haven't got around to it. It's nice to see it hasn't been forgotten. I don't need it and my wife every year says when are you going to get rid of that car, you don't get any use out of it, but I still keeping it around. I love cars!! Owen in Ohio

  14. Interesting to read the comments about the Bavaria. Those of us who have owned and driven one will agree that it was a well engineered and well built car which was arguably better in several ways than the E9 coupe. Many also regard the E3 Bavaria as superior to the E23 seven series model which superceeded it. Unfortunately many Bavarias have met their end by becoming parts donor vehicles for the more valuable E9 coupes. A Bavaria may not be widely considered a "classic", but it was a significant model for BMW on a number of levels as it introduced the M30 engine range, the first truly modern instrumentation, intentional(!) intermittent wipers, 4 wheel discs and all independent suspension on a car first released in 1968. Exciting looks? Maybe not, but damn nice car all the same . . .

  15. I own a 1987 Renault Alliance Convertible and drive it every day. I am the original owner of it. Fun to drive in the summer with the top down. Jo Ann

  16. Wow, lots of great stories! The few negative opinions that truly reflect the narrow-mindedness of some make me wonder if their "classics" would be so wonderful if everybody owned one. To me and many others the great thing about automobiles is they come in so many flavors. Although I respect the success of the Camaros, Mustangs and Vettes, like many, I tire of seeing the tons of them at shows and races. I more often will go out of my way to see something different. That's why I own a 1976 Chevy Monza 2+2 hatchback. If you want to see proof that Chevy Monza and the Chevy Vega are still alive and kicking you need to checkout www.v8monza.com and www.h-Body.org. There are also videos of these cars on www.YouTube.com. Each year H-Body.org gets more members, proving that these car aren't dead or forgotten and damn sure aren't extinct! Thanks, Bob Gumm v8monza.com H-Body.org

  17. Most of te cars you mention as 'endangered' or 'extinct' are kinda crappy. my main criteria for liking old cars [after timeless styling cues]is 'was it raced and did it win more than 10 events'; Today thats easy to check on w/ all the archieved info [and nice pictures] on the www to help decide which ones are worth anything. Some of these can just go away peacefully.

  18. "Extinct" BIRD is in H-Body.org A very rare beauty of a Sunbird can be seen, 1980 Pontiac Sunbird Formula W-66 H-Body!! one of 358 produced for sale in Canada! Figures, they always get the Good Stuff!

  19. Very interesting article. I own 2 1979 Pontiac Sunbirds-the Pontiac version of the Monza and a 1977 Pontiac Astre. There are more of these cars still surviving than you realize.

  20. i currently own a 1973 pontiac astre. it is a rare canadian only available car.anyone looking for info on any of the h body cars(vega,astre, monza,starfire, skyhawk,sunbird, monza mirage,cosworth vega, visit hbody.org!

  21. Thanks so mmuch for including that great picture of the Monza at the top. One of the 25 Monza's that you insure is my '78 that is identical to the one in the Brochure, Sans the rocker panel blackout under the door...that didn't make it into production on the '78's. Being a historian of sorts on the H body line up, I could go on and on about the how's and why's of where they all went.... But I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the 'threatened'classification. I remember the hey day of cheap parts and great finds in the wrecking yards in the early 1990's. Now finding one in a wreckers is virtually non-existent. Ebay and Craigslist seem like the last places. Sometimes there's not a bad selection on there. I know in the Western NY area, Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse. I have one of the only one's that hasn't been converted to a drag car.

  22. What happened to the "70's Mustang II"?

  23. My first new car was a 1963 Chevy II Nova Super Sport Convertible. I didn't see many of them when the car was new and haven't seen one at any car show that I can remember. I love to have that car back in my garage along side the 1947 Buick Super convertible and the '77 VW Beetle convertible that I also owned at one time. If only we knew what some of our vehicles would be worth a few years after we got rid of them! Oh well, such if life.

  24. i know it is a diffent world now but as far as im concerned any car that is german or japanese is not worth collecting do people forget what the germans and japanese did to use in wwII

  25. I think one you failed to remember was the "Fabulous Hudson Hornet" from the early 50's. Wonderful driving cars that handled great, and would simply outrun anything on the road.

  26. Nice job here. Interesting read.

  27. I had a 1982 Chevy Chevett with a Diesel engine I drove it 115,000 miles then sold it to a kid that worked for me he then gave it to his girl friend and then she gave it to her father the last I heard it was still running However that was a number of years ago and as a former boss of mine put it (a car salesman for Chevy back in 1982) You bought the one and only one made. I loved it I could go to Montreal and back from Boston Ma. on one tank of fuel 53 miles per gallon for the whole 115,000 miles. and back in 82 the car was built with metal.

  28. The Bavaria was a superb car; rock solid, fast, comfortable, and razor-sharp handling. Come to think of it, I was an idiot to trade it (on a Datsun 240Z, which truly was a piece of poop). Wasn't much of a chick magnet (4 doors, boxy, and sort of German grandma-looking), but she was a beast on the back roads, and made believers out of a lot of good-ol'-boys in their big motor Chevelles and such. Wish I had her back.

  29. Very informative... well done!

  30. I don't know what some people are drinking but cars like the Scirocco made my heart race. A great design so "good riddance" is completely unnecessary.

  31. I once owned a 1978 Plymouth Sapporo. It was the twin of the Dodge Challenger made by Mitsubishi and sold by Chrysler dealers. Great little car. It had an excellent interior and was well made. Great article but needs pictures.

  32. There is a 600 Honda coupe restored sitting in the showroom window of Classic Cars on hwy 72 on the east side of Corinth, Miss. A restorable 51 Nash 4 dr is on the west side of Perryville, Ar on Rock Creek Rd off Hwy 60. The old man won't sell though, says it was his sisters and would rather let it sit there and rot than see it restored and driven by someone else. Go figure.

  33. I was the manager of a small country town VW store in the early 70's and I remember shuttering when most of the 60"s and 70's models on the list came in for trade. Even the Volkswagen Scirocco only had a cult following. We did trade for a Studebaker Wagonaire. I don't remember ever selling it. I can still see it laying behind the fence. Anything with a Renault or AMC label or especially a combo label (Renault/AMC) was summarily rejected as a re-sellable product and traded for accordingly. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. As of this moment I do not own any of these cars. Most of them were destined for extinction the day they were built.

  34. The Fiero has a very strong following. Almost cult like. A great source on these would be Pennocks Fiero Forum. www.fiero.nl About the Lotus suspension design. No that is not true. The fire myth is just that. More Fords have caught fire than Fieros. In 1984 the safest car as tested by the government was the Volvo, next was the Fiero. The space frame that the body panels bolt on to, is very strong. I have one and drive it everyday. Oh I live in West Michigan.

  35. Good riddance. Some ugly cars.

  36. Well I am disappointed by many of the comments that most of these cars were not worth preserving. I would much rather see these unusual specimens at a car show then another common '57 Chevy, Camaro, or Mustang. I have had several Capri's and currently own one that is insured by Hagerty. The Capri was developed as the "European Mustang" and is still very popular around the world. Ford named it one of their top 25 Heart & Soul vehicles of all time in honor of their 100th anniversary.

  37. Remember Ford's import before they built their own little Falcon? The '59 Taunus built in Germany by Ford. Looked like a 3/4 size '56 Ford. I've only see one in 50 years and that's one my Grandfather bought in Monterey Calif. and we had until '65. It did resurface on craiglist in 2008 and the seller couldn't get $100, maybe it survived because it was a 2 door wagon.

  38. i love my 1975 Monza T/C ,V8 262 39,000 orig miles and my 1975 Monza 2+2 112,000 miles V8 350 and my 1979 Pontiac Sunbird V6 58,000 all 2 all orig love driving them still looking for the oldsmobile Starfire and Buick Shyhawk so i can one of each , i find them to late always in the junk yards wish more people would fix them up before they junk them SAVE THE H body cars have fun everyone,Craig if anyone thats has one that wants to sell any of them cbigtruck69@aol.com THANKS

  39. Great article. Yes most were not the best but part of automotive history. Add to the list the Sunbeam from the early 60's. Was it the "Tiger" in convertible style? And the Morris Minor. The late 70's Datsun B-210 and economy twin - the Honey Bee. Also the Datsun Stanza. Any Merkur vehicles left? The 1961/2 Olds F-85/Cutlass, Buick Skylark, Pontiac Tempest - the first GM compact cars with unibody construction and each with a unique engine or drivetrain. Some good, some bad.

  40. While some (or most) may have rusted away, I think part of the issue that these vehicles (as well as many other late 70's & 80's vehicles) fail to show up with "Classic" car insurers like yourselves, is that a majority of the public have not yet realized, these now fall into the catagory of being "classic", and can be insured as classics. Most people still associate classics with, 40's, 50's, 60's, etc. vehicles, not realizing 1985 is just about 25 years ago. A prime example are the early VW Sciroccos. There are still a considerable amount around, but most owners do not know or realize, these fall into the "classic" realm now. They are operating them insured & registered, as any other everyday vehicle (daily driver). Good article. Thanks guys!

  41. Since We have broken the ice for foreign models, what about the Opel GT, the poor mans Vette???? Was a great 1.9L car...

  42. Fun List. Haven't thought about some of these cars for awhile. I owned a 1979 Chverolet Monza Coupe many years ago. Much cleaner front design than previous models. No vinyl top. 3.5 liter (I think) V6 w/ four speed. My wife hated the car but I really enjoyed it. I surprised more than one 5.0 liter Mustang with it. I am now looking for a 1980's Dodge Mirada. Where are all of those?

  43. Great feature. I had to laugh, my 1980 Monza is "threatened." Charley Jeffries is unfortunately right, regarding the negative comments. Most "car guys" I know turn their nose up at my Monza, a car I have owned since I was 16 (my first car). My '63 Sting Ray, on the other hand, they swoon. Interestingly, the Monza draws more interest from every day people (non-collectors). And truth be told, the Monza, 29 years young, 130K miles, all original, has never broken down. I wish I could say that about the Sting Ray. So after all these years owning one of these "flawed pieces of junk," my experience has been quite different.

  44. I like the article. I've always been drawn to the abscure with a 65 Marlin,a 59 Hillman and 39 Packard. I've always had a soft spot for the Wagonair also. Everyone wants to collect the sporty cars or the expensive cars and as cars become more disposible the common will be lost to history. While they may not warrent concours restorations they deserve to be preseved.

  45. My buddy owns a Fiero GT and a Fiero parts car. He drives the Fiero on rare occasions in the summer. Lack of garage space does not allow him to insure it with Hagerty, although he does insure his Trans-Am with Hagerty. If he ever decides to sell the Fiero, I would probably buy it, as a companion to my Corvette.

  46. I think the reason that most of these cars are gone is simple: They rusted away to nothing. All of the 70's Toyotas were pretty much rust and spit in a couple of years. Same with the VW's. Fiats were the worst, I think they rusted out in about six months. Of course, the engines stopped running in most of those cars at about 50k, so I suspect that most of them were crushed, or in the case of the Fiat, swept up into a dust pan, and thrown away. Some of these cars had nice styling, but the engineering was questionable. There is a reason, after all, that nobody bought any Fiats or Renaults, and they then shrunk back to Europe in disgrage.

  47. Having grown up in the "Motor City" and living next to the AMC/Rambler/Nash headquarters, I saw a whole line of cars that most people simply can't identify. There probably seven or eight that I don't remember. Great to see those owners at the shows and cruises.

  48. Once upon a time there was a beautiful little car called " The poor mans Porsche" Yes a Volkswagen Karmann Ghia. I am happy to say this was my first car in 1973. And again I am a proud owner of a Cabriolet (convertible) Karmann Ghia 1968, a one year only model with items others did not have. Volkswagen on made 80,000 of these cars in the History of such Models. Hmmm I wonder how may of these are still left on the roads today. These a surly on the Endangered list as they are Hard To Find

  49. Most of these opinions are right; these cars were junk or had numerous flaws to start with. However, I really liked my '72 Vega. Got 90,000 miles before the engine started blowing oil. Body didn't rust out like many did, even though it lived in Indiana. However, my stepfather had Oldsmobile Starfire with the V6 and upon investigation, I thought that engine looked like it would mount in a Vega. I found a Buick Skyhawk wreck in a local salvage yard with 800 miles on it and found that the V6 motor mounts fit right on my Vega frame and only needed one extra hole drilled and tapped to secure them perfectly. The '72 Vega transmission didn't bolt up to the Buick V6 so I had to use the Buick 4-speed. This necessitated enlarging the transmission tunnel a little. I later found a '74 Vega body which had a larger transmission tunnel. Design change by GM. What a fun car to drive with that V6! Also, too bad that by the time GM wised up and put the engine with steel sleeves in the Vega it was too late.

  50. I love my 1972 Bavaria. Many later BMW parts retrofit exceptionally well, allowing it to go, stop and turn like a much newer car. Not that it really needed a lot of help in stock form. As the old ads said, "... goes like schnell!" Another good candidate would have been the early/mid-80s Plymouth Sapporo. Try finding one of those, especially a high-line model with the digi-nightmare dashboard.

  51. I owned a 1975 Monza sedan with the V8 and manual - great car for its time. Mine was mint when it got stolen in the mid 80's. What a nightmare to tune though...had to drill a hole through the firewall or pull the engine to reach the last spark plug

  52. I am now in the process of restoring a 1983 AMC/Renault Alliance Cup spec racer with very few street miles on it. With plans to return it to the track for vintage racing events. It's a fun car to drive, and with it's race mods it feels and handles like an over sized go cart. The major problem is finding parts for it. Cheap fun.

  53. I am currently looking for a Citation X-11!

  54. Speaking of rare first cars how about a 1958 TR-10. Not a sports job but a 4 door, 4 cyl, 4 speed with 10 taxable in Britan horsepower. Various members of my family drove that car for 30 years. Remove the front seat, fold down the back and a stack of 8ft 2 X 4s fit in nicely, even though the car was only 11ft long.

  55. First Toyota I owned was a '78 Celica GT with a 5 speed. Really great running car that I only put $300 into for the time I owned it, from Jan.'82 until Aug.'86.I would have kept it longer except some idiot pulled out in front me and took out the whole passenger side .

  56. I've owned a Capri, and a Bavaria (e3), which was the precursor to the 7 series, not the 5 series. The only people who don't want a Bavaria have never driven one. It will shame any other car on these lists in handling, performance, value and build quality, and most anything else built in its era or the following decade. Or, the following two decades if you're comparing to US cars. There's an active owner's registry with members around the world, and BMW still supplies many parts through its Mobile Traditions arm.

  57. I traded my 73 celica for a used 73 Alfa GTV, that after a collision with a Caddy, morphed into a purchased new 74 GTV that I still own. I don't miss the celica. The Alfa was 100% more performance.

  58. LOL...I have one of the "less than 15" Ford/Mercury Capris that you insure: http://www.malibyte.net/Capri/capri-med.jpg Also, you'll find several of the MkI and many MkII Toyota Supra owners at http://celicasupra.com/forums.

  59. I was unfortunate enough to own an almost new '83 Alliance beginning in '85 or so. I was single. I lived next to my job, I went grocery shopping, and maybe had it out Friday nights or for other needs sometimes. That thing broke down once a month, costing hundreds of dollars each time, whether I drove it or not. Practically everything got replaced from the aluminum head on down to the heater. On the days that it was running though it drove like a little Cadillac... All cars are built to break down, but that one was designed to save both AMC and Renault in a hurry via their service departments... I still feel guilty for having sold it to someone else, but after owning that thing I needed the money. Yeah they're hard to find. They disappeared fast.

  60. It occurred to me the negative responses to this article prove that car "collectors" for the most part are nothing but a bunch of snooty whiners. Every car ever manufactured has it's problems,or as I like to say "personality". To simply dismiss a car because it was a rust bucket,or had serious mechanical issues,or poorly designed plastic interiors is not what the hobby is about. Preserving ANY old motor vehicle is something to respect and admire. I would MUCH rather see a rare "pos" Chevvette,Toyota,VW,or even a Yugo in perfect shape than another ho-hum 57 Chevy with fuzzy dice. Charley Jeffries Owner 1975 Lancia Beta Coupe AACA National first place winner Hershey 2008

  61. I had an 85 Laser turbo 4 from new...gave good service, interior was posh for the price but plagued with little problems K cars had..sold it and was told it developed electrical problems. Lady I worked with had a Citation and the poor proportioning valve in the brake system nearly took her out..had a recall on that I believe! Henry J not mentioned, but we had one, possibly the worst car we ever had...the 4 cylinder model, not the 6..seats paper thin..everything was extra. I have over 1200 videos of cars, mostly old, some new on You Tube..raconter1 (that's the numeral one). Living in Florida, there's always a car show to go to. Your article was great..could stand pictural examples of the cars you mention. :) Jack...(you insure my Mustangs- 72 coupe and 88 GT convertible!)

  62. I had my 1973 V6 Capri for 32 years - the Silver Bullit,,,,,, yep Capri parts ARE available - www.TeamBlitz.com as well as other sources ..... Come on down/up to Carlisle PA 4-6 Jun or at our annual SWARM 3-5 Sep at Natl Trails Raceway (Hebron, OH) as we celebrate the Capri's 40th anniversary this year and meet other Capri owners .....

  63. Citation's aren't extinct, all the Wrecking yards in So Cal have a ton of them. They just seem to fall apart. And the X11 a "Performnace" version ?, that's funny.

  64. I am glad to see so many comments from AMC/Rambler owners. I own a 1965 Rambler Marlin that I bought from my grandmother. Everywhere I drive the car people comment on its' art deco format with the fastback and opaque windows. I win some sort of prize about 85% of the times I'm in a show because people get so excited for having seen one for the first time. It is truly a remarkable car. It did not make the list and I wonder how many you insure.

  65. I had the original Honda Accord,1976; drove it over 80,000 miles and have not seen one since.

  66. Fiat 128 sedans are long gone. Looked kinda like an early BMW 2002. Fun cars, had two of them in the '80s.

  67. The 1967 to 1971 Fiat 850 Spyder roadster, is another candidate. Though not overpowered, it was a hoot to drive, went 90+ mph, got 45 mpg, and was a beautiful Bertone-syled car.

  68. I had a 77 Scirocco in the 80's. It was a super fun car to drive. I almost bought the farm in that car one night going too fast into a curve. Luckily I was able to bring it to a stop going backward in the middle of the road without hitting anything. What a lucky break! My brother and I attempted to paint it with mettalic silver. It came out with (unintentional) stripes on the hood.

  69. I had a 75 Celica in 77. People couldn't hardly pronounce "Toyota" properly. Great car that was better made than all the Vegas and Pintos that the big guys were offering. Should have kept it as now I can't really find one of Ebay. Other years, yes; but 75 is rare. I also just sold a 74 Hi-Lux in mint condition. Now that is a rare truck these days. Perhaps the next article could feature pick-ups? Cheers!

  70. I was able to find at least one of each of those (bar the cricket, but found one on an AACA forum using Google) on craigslist, eBay, or Hemmings... no mention of a Lancia Beta sedan, or any Fiat 128 or 124 coupe. Surely one of those must qualify for the list, although they do come up for sale every so often.

  71. I am proud to say that two of the cars on this list can be seen at the National Automotive and Truck Museum of the United States (owner of the Futurliner on exhibit at the AACA Museum in Hershey). The Auburn, Indiana museum has a 1965 Studebaker wagoneer in excellent condition as well as a Citation X-11. Visit them at www.natmus.org

  72. Never should have sold my red 1985 X-11. It was mint in 1990 when I traded it for a lousy $2K on an Olds touring sedan. Thought I was moving way up, but that Citation never missed a beat and the Olds was a nightmare, even as beautiful as it was. I could have driven it another 80 thousand I'm sure.

  73. How about the MG 1100 sedan. Same concept as the original Mini, but larger with an 1100cc Austin engine mounted transversly and an MG grille. Also had hydra-pneumatic suspension. It drove and handled much like the Mini, and also provided more room. They were popular in the early 60's and then just disappeared, perhaps in piles of rust. I haven't seen one for years, even at British car shows.

  74. During my college years I owned a 1973 Mercury Capri GT V6 with a 4 speed and a sun roof. What a fun car! Lots of great memories.

  75. These early Sciroccos are meanwhile realy rare because they were real rust buckets even they were nice and some of them pretty fast. Prices raise permanently even in Europe. If you want to restore them be prepared for hughe spare part prices. example: front fender 800 Euros NOS, Chrome bumper 250 Euros without plastic caps at both end. Whatever I love them.Stephan

  76. great fun article to read, had my share of clunkers that you don't see today anymore: VW Dasher, Renault Le Car, Citroen AMI-6, to nmae only a few!

  77. My parents owned a 1976 Capri. I was brought home from the hospital in it in 1977. I remember my dad install a supercharger on it, as a kid that thing would scream. Not sure how fast it really was, but with that 5 speed it was a gas to ride in. Thanks for bringing up some fun memories.Jonathan, Modesto, CA

  78. The Alliances were stripped of their Drivetrains for SCCA Sports Renault. I owned 13 Crickets at one time or another, along with 4 Capris (Gen 1 and 2). There are a couple Crickets still running around in NYS, and I saw a couple in a Yard in Arizona that was being scrapped. One Cricket even was in an early 90's X-Files episode on a Lift in a Garage!

  79. Thanks for the trip down automotive memory lane. Two cars worthy of addition to the lists of these "forgotten" vehicles are the Renault Medallion and Renault Fuego, two cars I actually kind of liked in terms of styling. Personally, I wonder where my near-mint 1985 Chrysler LeBaron GTS would rank? I don't see anymore of these cars on the road where I live....

  80. I have a 63 Wagonaire, 259 V8 with 3 on the tree and overdrive. Not a barnburner, but it tows, and carries, just about anything including my garden tractor and very large trees and shrubs...I've seen refrigerators being carried. Oh, yes, the sliding roof leaks, but they all did.

  81. Fiero GT....got one.Stock. Award winning and in beautiful shape with only 104k miles. Yes they are still around with National Club, many local clubs and a couple of parts houses. There are also V8 conversions offered with NorthStar or Corvette engines. The styling will always be current but that interior really screams 80s.

  82. Bavarias seem to have had a recent break out, from checking craigslist on the west coast. Long undervalued relative to the contemporary 2002s and 2800/3.0 cs, sellers are asking in the low thousands now.

  83. I owned a 1973 V6 Capri. It was my first car, was fast and handled really well. It was my first love. I was T-Boned in it in 1986 and I still miss that car. I have looked for one have not been able to find one.

  84. Reference the gentleman who has not seen a TR250 lately, I have a 66 TR4A (solid axle) with TR250 seats, grill and dash. Always the problems with the "Prince of Darkness" electrics though. I wish I had a whole one of either though.

  85. How about the MGC? I've owned one for 29 years and it's gotten me up and down the east coast a number of times and is very dependable. I call it the poor man's XKE! As far as I know I've only see one other in NC!

  86. To each his own. I wouldnt buy any of the cars on your list. But then I own and drive Hillmans and most people dont know what they are. We do know of a Cricket insured by you though. So please remove it from your list. Doug [Editor's note: Thanks for letting us know about the Cricket. We've confirmed your friend's car, and we've upgraded the model to "endangered" status!]

  87. How about finding a 1978 Honda Civic , I love those litle cars , I have been looking for one for several year and have had no luck , where did they all go ?

  88. I tried for m ore than 30 years to restore a 1927 Star 6. Wasn't possible. Still can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I was a General Motors dealer during the Vega-Monza-Chevette-Starfire-Sunbird-Fiero-(can't even remember the name of the Buick). There will always be a segment of this hobby who feels challenged by memories to restore something to its former wonderfulness. My experience tells me [has shown me] that you cannot restore factory plastic. The higher the plastic content the less possibility of restoration. Let mediocrity die along with its memory

  89. If VW brought back the Scirocco body design from that era, and used today's technology to make it that much better (just as Ford/Mustang and Chevy/Camaro have done), I'd buy it all over again. Next to my '99 Miata this was the most fun car to drive.

  90. I hope your intent was not to include these car as "Classics"! Personally I don't like even the possibility that these could be in the same class as some of my classic cars. Sometimes the manufactures and their design teams just simply miss the boat. As a result these car fail and therefore they should become extinct. Many of these cars were answers to increasing insurance rates and high gas price, at least for their day. Twenty years from now are you going to say, oh my god, the Ford Escort, or the Dodge Neon, or the Geo Prisim are going extinct? Who's going to care about those either! I LOVE cars, but they REALLY should be classics NOT mistakes. Good day to all

  91. Yeah it is a shame that so many cars of all makes and models from this era mid 70s to early 80s are already becoming scarce, at least in Michigan and other winter-salt-rust states. It took parts from 8 different Malibus to finish my 1979. Just went looking for a power steering bracket for one and there isn't one of these cars in a salvage yard anywhere in Grand rapids. Checked the dealership and they are now discontinued as well. Talked to a friend in Tucson, Az and he says that even out there 70s and early 80s cars are getting scarce in the salvage yards. If you had fun in a car 20-30 years ago, find another, restore it, and have fun again, no matter what the make or model!

  92. Cars that are glaringly absent from this list: Many of which have been looked down upon by collectors of the above listed vehicles. British Sports Cars, Most Ford vehicles, AMC, and many others that have been collected for years!

  93. I pay close attention to the cars I pass as I am traveling and I travel a lot. I can say that I,ve seen almost everyone of these in he last year. I will also say that extinction in most cases betters the overall situation. We might be better off with only a fossilized record of most of these, they were for the most part unremarkable back when they came out and remain so today. However I damn well remember those Bavaria advertisments that stated "139 MPH for $3995" I could have killed for one. Jim

  94. Most of these cars are disappearing for good reason. Let them "rust in pieces".

  95. I have a 1982 Maserati Quatro Porte 4 door Touring car. Interested in finding the right mechanic and person to restore it. Also interested in purchasing one in great shape Renny

  96. I'm finding out what "rare" or "extinct" means. I am trying to restore a 1953 Alvis TA21 Drophead coupe, 302 produced between 1950 and 1953. Not many on the road!

  97. Great article, keep it going! I also own some rare but not valuable cars that are endangered, consider addinh the Fiat 850 Spider to the list

  98. I always feel obligated to save the last one but in truth I some cars are destined for the crusher. I'm just not alturistic enough to pile money into something that will be worth less than the sum of it's parts.

  99. There's a reason these cars are headed the way of the dinosaur. Eons ago, I owned a 1985 Laser, it was a POS! The 2.2 4cyl was a bullet engine, but the rest of the car was a rattle trap. I also drove an alliance convertible for a couple of months. There's a car that should have never even been built! Haggertys puts the monza and the X-11 on the list??? Give us a break, you should go ahead and stick that joke of a Cadillac the cimmaron on here also. There's a reason, cars become extinct! The sucked when they were new, and they suck today. Let them die in peace.

  100. I am probably the only "historian" of Plymouth Crickets in the USA. I know of less then 10 running survivors in the country (plus one junked in Alberta, Canada), one of which I owned until recently. Even rarer then the 4 door sedan is the 4 door wagon. These were only offered for about six months in late 1972 and I do not know of any survivors at all. You did make one mistake, the Iranian "Peykan" is NOT based on the Cricket, it is based on a different car... the Sunbeam Arrow/Hillman Hunter. The car based upon the Cricket/Hillman Avenger was sold as a VOLKSWAGEN in Argentina until about 1995 as a VW 1500. Jan Eyerman

  101. Mk1 Sciroccos are very much alive! They are still on the roads, particularly in the NE (the heart of VW in America, afaic) and in Cali. On Nov 13 2009 there was a HUGE gathering of Sciroccos and Corrados in San Dimas, CA at the "Bonelli Park GTG". I drove our Corrado from Las Vegas, and snapped this UNSTAGED shot with THREE Mk1 Sciroccos: http://andyandbriar.com/pics/albums/11-14-09_bonelli_vw_gtg/IMGP5127.jpg And if these are considered "endangered', what about my Corrado? While they are a newer car, it boggles the mind how many of these "poor-man-Porsches" from Karmann have ended up in ditches and wrapped around trees...

  102. My first car was a 1968 TR250 Triumph. Butternut yellow with black leather interior and a black convert. top. Oh how I loved that car. I had to sell it because my babyseat didn't fit in and I couldn't afford to fix the failing electrical system. The wipers wiped when they felt like it. I haven't seen a TR250 in YEARS!

  103. I don't understand is why would anybody in there right mind buy any of these so-called cars,really,I have always loved them from the twenty ,the model As,the muscles yes,but the one you mentioned,one would think that somebody bumped there head,to go out to buy one of these cars

  104. I own a 1976 Cosworth Vega, last spring I entered it in a local Car show, it got 2nd place for the class I entered it in. There was a gentleman who entered a V8 Monza car first on this list.

  105. I have photos of me competing (SCCA Solo II) with my 1981 Scirocco S... in 1999. Sadly, I sold it to a gentlemen from Ontario, Canada, after I came across an opportunity to purchase a '73 911T. The 911 turned out to be a nightmare. Reading this article sure makes me wish I had held on to "The Roc".

  106. How about the mini-Corvette look alike, the Opal GT? I had one in college, but can't remember the last time I saw one. - Frank

  107. Great article. I currently own a 63 Daytona Wagonaire, it is a 4 speed, bucket seat car. Have the build sheet to prove it. It is in the wings waiting it's turn in the shop. Home owners covers it right now which is why you don't have it.

  108. I owned two of the cars on your list, the Laser XT and the version of the Monza which was a 1976 and the Laser a 1984. Both of them during college they where not the best cars but they are memory cars of my generation and can not find them like the ones from the 1960's. May have not been the best of Detroit but wish we had them to show our kids to like generations before.

  109. How true, I loved my red 1983 Alliance and keep an eye out for them. It was my first new car- I haven't seen one in years.

  110. Happy to report that you can move the Cricket up to the endangered category. Hagerty has had my 71 Cricket on its lists since September, after I found it at a farm estate auction in Marathon, Iowa. I'd been looking for a Cricket off and on for about five years. For others who may be interested in saving a Cricket, I came across another restorable and available car. Inquire on the HillmanCars yahoo group. Jonathan in Connecticut [Editor's note: A more recent search does indeed bring up your 1971 Cricket in our database. CONGRATULATIONS! You've upgraded to 'endangered' status!]

  111. Need pictures of these cars. Thanks for the info.

  112. in a few years,add Mitsubishi Sportwagon to the list. made only in 2004, I have one in yellow. car was only about $2000 less than a passat 4 cyl turbo wagon so it was not cost compeititive....every buyer went to the passat. The sportwagon is a Freakin' great car with stiffer shocks/springs, cross brace in the engine compartment and lowered with 2.4 engine/all stock from the factory out of the box, not the anemic 2.0 lancer job. great space in the car and costs not much to run. a very nice small wagon which looks like a wagon, not a hatchback...has some tasteful ground affects with nice small roof spoiler. they should still make it but now eveyone wants a crossover or SUV....boring.

  113. Anything from AMC , I belong to a AMC . Rambler . Nash , Hudson club . And when I go to car shows or cruises I am usually the only one there .

  114. There is a Renault Convertible for sale in the back of the current AACA magazine - quick rush it to the Schlumpf Collection! Andy Fuhrman

  115. Great article! I enjoyed reminiscing about the cars of my youth.

  116. My 1977 Toyota Celica GT in which Hagerty insures is on the threatened list....kinda nice to have something rare. That rules! Actually, there are a lot of them out there but most in pretty rough shape and only parts cars. Mine gets a lot of looks when I drive it and "I remember that car when I was in school..." comments. Same with my 1986 MKII Toyota Celica Supra. I love that car! Tad, Howard Lake, MN

  117. Most of those cars were junk and should be extinct!

  118. One of the funniest articles I have read this year. This reads like a house of horrors.Except for the Toyotas,every one of these disasters could have been used as a flower pot when new. I really enjoyed the Mazda RX2. I was a mechanic at a mazda dealer in 1974-76.These cars were $2995.00 when new,and the complicated rotary exhaust would rot off in a year. Try telling some customer his year old car is going to need a $1200.00 exhaust system. Say What!!!????? Many people left the keys on the service desk and told the bank to come get the car. Please let these junks die.

  119. I love the concept of this article. Please continue to offer it!

  120. HI, My qustion is: What about cars like the Essex, Cord, Dort, Nash, Star, Willis, Whippet, Henry J, and Metropolitan, ect? I'll bet most 60's reflective collectors have not even heard the names of these old vehicles! They certainly have served a great purpose in the development of this country into what it has become today. LOL! rev. tom from hixson, tn.

  121. I know where mere than a dozen of the "endangered" Capri's can be seen in one place: http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f138/mrollingthunder/?action=view¤t=HPIM2219.jpg And here is a photo of me working on mine, which by the way still covers thousands of miles every year! http://www.flickr.com/photos/6for2/1313022564/ Don M.

  122. I saw a surprising number of Fieros here in Southeast Michigan this summer ... I would say dozens, just driving around (not at car shows). Not sure if any were the GT model you're seeking, but they seem to be holding up pretty well, despite all of the early problems. They still stand out, due to the size and styling.

  123. This was a fun article. I liked remembering these old cars, true car guys love them all. More pics would aid a failing memory. Thanks I enjoyed it.

  124. What about the Plynouth Gran Fury of the mid-late 70's. I still remember the smell of that car. I believe it was midnight or starfire blue, white top, and mags. The engine options were the 360 and bb 400. These were the last of the "big cars" to leave the line. My father's was a 77 and I have yet to see one like it! Or, even another one for that matter.

  125. Great article! You insure our 64 Studebaker Wagonair (with sliding rear roof allowing tall items to be carried as if it was a truck). It's little 259 V-8 only had a 2 Bbl. but was a good motor; however, it's three-on-the-tree was balky and the gearing was too tall in first & too low in third. The "Armstrong" steering needed massive arms to drive it and the stopping ability of the brakes was horrible! We're installing a (stock) modern engine & 5-speed auto., power rack-&-pinion steering, power-disc brakes on all four wheels & improved suspension. The bench seat interior is now redone & looks beautiful. It should be back on the by road next Spring (it'll be a driver -not a trailer queen)! The Resto-Mod upgrades may not be appreciated by "purists" but they make the car MUCH SAFER and more enjoyable to drive - thats my goal for the car my wife will drive!

  126. Where did all the Capris go? They're still here! Just slightly under-appreciated. I own and operate the largest Euro Capri mailing list in the world with 1000+ members worldwide. A good portion of those numbers are in the USA and Canada. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/capri-list/ There is a Capri Club which is over 300 members strong http://capriclub.com We have two to three large Capri gatherings a year and several smaller ones. I own two 76 Capris which are insured by Hagerty.

  127. great article i have owned a few of these,and the cosworth twin cam vega that you left out.mom had a cricket,dad a capri,brother celica.ME renault,rx-2,and rx-3,laser,x-11,and monza.I also have in my garage now a 58 MGA coupe like the one in the photo on this page.I found the mga in williamsburg va.owned by 3 members of the same family since new.steve

  128. WEll, I know where one of the Mercury Capris is at - in my driveway! A really well-built car but exceedingly difficult to find parts for these days. It is my daily driver and is not currently insured by Hagerty for that reason. I also owned a 1971 Plymouth Cricket - very strange car which being English, seemed out of place in the otherwise mostly-Jap market in the small car range at the time. One other comment about this list; I am surprised that ANY of these cars qualify for the minimum value range for Hagerty coverage.

  129. found this ad in fresno today: http://fresno.craigslist.org/cto/1511451163.html it's for a 1975 chrysler cordoba, what are the odds? adam

  130. They should be Extinct!

  131. The video was very interesting. Regards John

  132. How about a Vega?

  133. What about the Jensen Healey?

  134. While I do appreciate you calling these cars to my attention, many wont be missed. At least I can say they wont be missed by me. Its no wonder they are gone....the Citation was one of the ugliest Chevy vehicles ever made. Dont tell my brother-in-law he had one of the X-11 models ...painted BROWN for what it was....you know. Have a great Holiday! Lets hope for an early SPRING!

  135. I think we can all suffer the deprivation of all these models. Except the Studebaker and the Monza with a V8 the rest ---Goooood riddance

  136. How do SV4 AMC Spirits rate? or were there not enough built in the first place. Speaking of Amc's How many javelins are represented by Hagerty members. I would like to see a break out of that, 1st generation (68-70) and second Gen (71-73) Thankk You

  137. I guess my question is WHY WOULD anyone want one of these cars when there are so many other great, stylish,cheap collectable cars out there!

  138. When was the last time you saw a Chevrolet Chevette? The last one I saw had a Chevy small block sitting beside the driver. What say you?

  139. Where are the photos!

  140. Go looking in the wilds of North Idaho for some of these critters. In that area you can find herds of Yugo's, big bumper Maverick's, Mustang II's, diesel Puegot's, Chevette's, old Matador's (one with "to serve and protect" still visible) and a Cosworth Vega. Why do they flock to North Idaho? Like so many people they go there to disappear from society.....

  141. You missed the 1949-51 Nash Airlfytes. They were the most advanced design cars of the post war era. Unfortunally, their unibody frames rusted out in salt belt states and few are left. They were wide, roomy, easy on gas, and had an abundance of interior room. RJM Southfield, MI

  142. Many were taken out in the "Cash for Clunkers" program. Lots of cars with future potential were taken out of garages and destroyed in exchange for a few dollars from the government...money that should have gone to help veterans and seniors.

  143. I enjoyed the walk down memory lane. It is true that you don't see these cars anymore. Back in their day you could see plenty of them. Interesting that they seemed to have fallen off the face of the earth.

  144. How about the 1973 AMC Gremlin X with the custom "Levi" interior, and 304-V8 with a 3-speed manual. The rear windows of mine were covered with "Detroit Dragway Winner" stickers, as at the time, there were not other cars in it's class to race against. Sure would like to see that car again....

  145. Here's a '78 Monza Spyder for sale... http://www.cars-on-line.com/43533.html

  146. Genius article! Congratulations! I think you should make this a regular feature and keep updating it, maybe organizing it into makes or years or something. OK, onto my specifics on the extinct list. You described the Chrysler Laser XE as the twin to the Dodge Daytona Turbo Z. Not quite true. The XE was the lower trim level of the Laser and did NOT come equipped with the turbo engine. So it was the equivalent to the base Dodge Daytona non-turbo. The Laser XT was the full performance version equivalent of the Daytona Turbo Z. I could not immediately find a Laser XE, but here is the eBay number of an XT from my watch list: 180444216181. I was totally serious about keeping the Endangered / Extinct list as a regular feature. Great Job!! Gary Runkel Canton, MI

  147. A good story in concept and cute and fluffy in execution, but... Basing the ratings of Threatened, Endangered and Extinct on the number insured by Hagerty makes this article entirely misleading -- because the value of almost all of these cars fall below the threshold for Hagerty policies. For instance, my one-owner '86 Dodge 600 ES Turbo convertible is worth about $2500 on the best day of its life right now. When I went to insure it on the same policy as my more traditional classics (Corvette, Ferraris, Triumph, etc...), Hagerty said its value was too low. The same was true of two first-gen Miatas I owned previously. It doesn't mean these cars don't exist -- it just means Hagerty won't cover them. (Another competitor covers my "cheap classics".) Of the list above, only the Wagonaire and first-gen Celica will on average meet the value floor. I can assure you that there are plenty of Impulses, Lasers, Sciroccos, Supras, Fiero GTs, and Bavarias out there.

  148. I Love this kind of scavenger hunt.

  149. There's a reason these cars are extinct. With the exception of the Study wagon, which is a pretty rare and cool example of the dying Studebaker company of the 1960's, these are lousy cars. Some are the result of the gas shortages of the 1970's. Others are badly engineered, badly styled, and badly conceived cars that were dead on arrival when they hit the showroom floor.

  150. #4 on endangered list. Toyota Supra 1979-1981 is listed as proto-type Lexus. I own a 1989 Toyota Cressida.This model series ran from 1989-1991. I believe this car is closer to the proto type of the Lexus model which started the following year. Allan

  151. Great Article, information not well known. We owned a 66 Corvair convertible Monza spyder with turbo. Long story on how it got away from us, but I have not seen one since and most Corvair enthusiasts have only heard of it... almost as if it is a myth. Any clues as to how many are still in captivity?

  152. I restore classics as a hobby. I am also opinionated. Many of these cars should disappear. In many cases, mediocre design, unappealing aesthetics have driven down their appeal and value. Collectors and restorers don't enjoy them as much as others.

  153. I see your criteria starts with production rates of 10,000 units or more. What classification would low volume vehicles (less than 10,00 units) be put in (i.e. the Bricklin)?

  154. I had the dubius honor of being the Plymouth Cricket Sales Manager in 1971. The numerous labor unions at Chrysler U.K. would not support the changes necessary to meet the quality standards of the U.S. market. After repeated efforts and many many months of attempts to improve the product I asked and took action to cancel the car. There is one Cricket that is very rare that I brought into the country. It was a White Cricket station wagon with a rally suspension, rally wheels and low profile tires. It was a great handling car for the time and the performance was very good and its overall ride and handling was excellent. The Avenger/Cricket was an excellent small car design with good rally and racing credentials in the U.K. but the wiring problems, vinyl out-gassing and cracking along with many small problems turned into a headache for U.S. customers and our dealers. I and others wanted to save it but after repeated attempts to improve its quality we saw the handwriting on the wall.

  155. i had a 76 capri /nice car, i also had a 1978 datsun F10 you cant even find one on ebay

  156. I also have an eye for those vehicles that GM took several years to "get right" but killed off as soon as they did. I currently own an '06 Pontiac GTO (150 miles) as well as an '05 Chevy SSR (2,900 miles). Both are going to be looked back on as great vehicles that were doomed by poor introductions and lousy marketing.

  157. I give you 4 stars but one other car that should be added is the Opel GT (1969-1971??)and Manta. Everyone like those Euro-style cars and they were reliable, quick and sporty.

  158. I have owned a couple of these cars. The Citation X-11 had a great sound and the performance wasn't bad. My candidate for the 'lost car' would be the 1960 Simca Aronde Plien Ceile Coupe (looked like a minature Corvette) which I once owned. It had real leather, a four cylinder engine with four on the column. Quite a looker, not much on performance - or reliability. dwrumley@aol.com

  159. Sweet! I'm one of the fewer than 25 Celicas that Hagarty insures. It's been a long time since I've seen another one on the road

  160. Writing this article and speaking from actual Hagerty experience, i.e., which of these cars, if any, Hagerty insures, made an otherwise less-than-exciting topic more interesting. Joel Mogul

  161. I saw the chevy citations being assembled in GM's Tarrytown NY plant in 1985! No one looked happy in that factory!

  162. You forgot the 1971 and 1972 Honda 600 sedan and coupe. Air cooled engines.

  163. It's pretty clear to me it is because nobody wants them, and it is probably because of high cost to restore and absolutely no chance of recouping half your money in appreciation. Dean Eldridge.

  164. Your article was quite interesting and enjoyable. how many 1966 Barracuda's do you currently insure?

  165. While in medical school in Kansas City, I parked cars at the Hyatt Regency. Without a doubt, the most comfortable front seat I ever sat in was the 1984 Toyota Supra. While not on your list, I would bet it will be coming shortly.

  166. I wonder how many 1981 Chrysler Imperial FS they made. They made about 12xxx over the 3 years for all Imperial and about 250 FS. I have one and its insured with Hagerty.

  167. Not a laser but you insure one of the first Dodge Daytona Turbo Z's ever made - my 1984 built 8/83. Loved the article! Mark Babington

  168. Need a more "collectible" list. All the cars listed were always pure junk and deserved to go out of extinction

  169. The good news is there aren't any cars on the extinct list that anyone will really miss.

  170. I just saw a Renault Alliance convertible at the gas station in town last week. It was a buzz bomb - a bit rusted and well in need of exhaust system work, but certainly running and driving as a daily use car. Roger

  171. Great list! I've had an eye out for a monza/starfire/skyhawk with little luck and figured it was just the Northeast that lacked them. Thanks for keeping it balanced with regular cars, not just the ultra high end stuff...

  172. I bought my first car in 1978, a 1974 Mercury Capri and I still own it!!! It is a 4 cyl manual.

  173. I worked at a VW dealership in 1978 and the Scirocco was out and it was a breath of fresh air compaired to ANYTHING out at the time.The 1976 cars had cabs where the 1977-81 were injected and wonderfull.We had a 76 in demo sevice and it was nice / blue with blue /green plaid stripes.. these were 4 speeds!!I can recall a gentleman trading in his 911T for a special edition 1979 Scirocco S in white with recaro seats, a 5 speed. I can also recall a 1976 Capri v-6 in yellow traded in a 1978 Rabbit...

  174. what about the 1977 Rx3

  175. Caro The ginues store called, they’re running out of you.

    The ginues store called, they’re running out of you.

  176. CRAIG GESKE minneapolis

    79-80 BUICK Roadhawk version off skyhawk, was not made by BUICK but by another contracted Co. Then sent to dealers directly. Only 18 are known to exist out of little over 1500 cars built, Rare car , I found in salvage yard and have been in full restore mode. I insure it at Hagerty. here is page to rare info http://roadhawk.homestead.com/roadhawk.html There is a full list here to owners, options, and where they are located. about 12 parts cars are known to exist not restorative condition. I never saw one all 80s-90s ever and have been a buick owner and show goer for 25 years.

  177. Gary Lindstrom Wappinger, NY

    Why start your Chrysler Laser listing with a 1985 and not a 1984? I purchased a new 1984 Chrysler Laser XE. I traded it in on a new 1987 Avanti.

  178. Sagar You raelly found a way to make this whole process easier.

    You raelly found a way to make this whole process easier.

  179. Hallie Times are changing for the btteer if I can get this online!

    Times are changing for the btteer if I can get this online!

  180. Titia A good many vlaabules you've given me.

    A good many vlaabules you've given me.

  181. Magda If you want to get read, this is how you shluod write.

    If you want to get read, this is how you shluod write.

  182. Turk Whoever edits and puiblsehs these articles really knows what they're doing.

    Whoever edits and puiblsehs these articles really knows what they're doing.

  183. Bill Balke Tampa Florida

    We had a late 70's Pontiac Sunbird---bought it new. It was an awful car. The engine skipped and the service manager said to "beat the hell out of it". After closing the doors only a week or so, the front inside door handles separated from the side of the door. Lots of new cars since then but the last GM.

  184. Martin True San Ramon

    It is nice to see all the comments on these rare gems. I am restoring a 75 Honda Civic CVCC It's not about the money it is about the pleasure of having an example of something that is disappearing from us. 3/4 of the cars listed were from my high school days which keep's alot of these car's close to my heart.

  185. JohnC Scarborough, ME

    My first car was a 1952 "Henry J" by Kaiser Motors. A recent search turned up only one worth restoring. A really great car if well equipped (Corsair Deluxe) with the trunk and 6 cyl engine.

  186. Neil Oswego, IL

    I may well be the only person who feels this way, but I really miss my '83 Olds Firenza station wagon.

  187. Neil Oswego, IL

    I may well be the only person who feels this way, but I really miss my '83 Olds Firenza station wagon.

  188. Neil Oswego, IL

    I may well be the only person who feels this way, but I really miss my '83 Olds Firenza station wagon.

  189. Bill W. Seattle WA

    Some of these cars I owned. One I really liked was the Studebaker President my Uncle let me use while I was at LSU 58-62. Its exterior style could go today. The VW CarmanGia I bought new was great. At a later time had a Ferio which was fun. According to some, the reason GM stopped production in 88 was to keep it from becoming the "poor mans Vette" I love my standby 86 300ZX even with 146K it drives like new.

  190. John S Niagara

    I owned a 72 Dodge Colt which is identical to a 71 cricket. Had it for 12 yrs, put 100,000 miles on 2 motors, blew the first one up when I put in a 1/4 race cam with incorrect valve clearance.At the end the only think holding up the tranny was the driveshaft and motor, everything else was rotted away. Still have lots of photos. Man those reclining seats came in handy .....

  191. Joe Howell Knoxville, Md

    Loved the article but must defend the Scirrrocos, I had 3 and good examples are still out there loved by their owners. Most fun cars I have ever had for the buck. Ran my purchased new 87 16v for 17 years & 132,000 trouble free miles, just changed the timing belt when due, belt failure would kill the engine:( With fine German fit and finish it still looked like new. Should have never sold it. Had a friend with the Stationaire and thought the sliding roof design was clever. Put a 145,000 miles on my 72 Pinto wagon before rust killed it 20 years later.

  192. Joe Howell Knoxville, Md

    Loved the article but must defend the Scirrrocos, I had 3 and good examples are still out there loved by their owners. Most fun cars I have ever had for the buck. Ran my purchased new 87 16v for 17 years & 132,000 trouble free miles, just changed the timing belt when due, belt failure would kill the engine:( With fine German fit and finish it still looked like new. Should have never sold it. Had a friend with the Stationaire and thought the sliding roof design was clever. Put a 145,000 miles on my 72 Pinto wagon before rust killed it 20 years later.

  193. Dave NC

    I have a 1978 Mercury Zephyr wagon........yes a Zephyr wagon.

  194. Chris Blackwell Indy

    um,mmm..... Pinto....?.... Vega....?

  195. Darryl Louisiana

    I made 48 payments on the most God-awful miserable car ever designed and built in America: a baby-poop brown (two-toned) 1981 Chevette. I not only pray that the Chevettes are extinct, but would volunteer to operate the crusher to see the last of the miserable excuses for transportation be smelted down for something more useful. The Chevette ruined me for Chevrolet products until I purchased a 2004 Corvette, which has further poisoned me for the brand for another 23 years or so...

  196. Charles Griffiths United States

    There's a minty-fresh 1984 Chrysler Minivan in the Henry Ford Museum Collection in Dearborn, Michigan.

  197. Tim Crescent, OK United States

    My 88 Fiero GT very much resents being listed as endangered. It has 138xxx on the clock and is scheduled for a 3800SC / 4T65E-HD conversion very soon.....It is a survivor from California and is much loved!

  198. Tim Crescent, OK United States

    My 88 Fiero GT very much resents being listed as endangered. It has 138xxx on the clock and is scheduled for a 3800SC / 4T65E-HD conversion very soon.....It is a survivor from California and is much loved!

  199. LUIS PRADO ORLANDO FLORIDA

    I enyoyed seeing the cars and reading all the car memory comments...the best (3) cars in my life time were all Chevys my first was a 1962 Chevy II two door sedan I brougth in 1968 and my only show room new were my 1970 Chevy Custom Coupe two door with a 350 V/8..400 automatic 8/track am/fm...crager mags..rolled and pleeted gold interior with a deep black exterrior finish.and my last new Chevy was a 1975 Monte carlo..350 automatic am/fm cassett..swival bucket seats..rally wheels..T-Tops dual pipes..all the gages.w/cruise control and power windows..it was black W/whitr vinyl interrior.total cost in July 1975 was $5.695 yelp thats right fifthy six nigthy five..

  200. Ken Minneapolis

    My first Celica was a 79 Coupe ST it was a fun car to drive and after I sold it I found I wanted another Celica. Many years later I again own a Celica this one a 1985 GTS Convertabile in excellent condition. Any plastic or rubber parts are hard to find but the 22RE is a rock solid engine with great parts availability .

  201. Randy Reese Goshen, IN

    Should have bought that '61 International Scout I saw on CL! I would be the envy of everyone!!

  202. Randy Reese Goshen, IN

    Should have bought that '61 International Scout I saw on CL! I would be the envy of everyone!!

  203. Randy Reese Goshen, IN

    Should have bought that '61 International Scout I saw on CL! I would be the envy of everyone!!

  204. Randy Reese Goshen, IN

    Should have bought that '61 International Scout I saw on CL! I would be the envy of everyone!!

  205. Mike Iowa

    AMC, AMX, Javelin?????

  206. mooseinfmp fmp

    There is a Chevy X-11 in great shape for sale on Susquehanna St. in Binghamton, NY, next door to the gas station at the corner of Susquehanna and Exchange Sts.

  207. seymoure winnipeg, Man.

    Hey, what about the 1987 Buick LeSabre-2 door Post? Man, what a beauty that was, with it's 3.8 V/6...........Collect this one!

  208. Rob Florida

    What about the 85-89 Merkur XR4Ti 2.3L Turbo

  209. Rob Florida

    What about the 85-89 Merkur XR4Ti 2.3L Turbo

  210. Rob Florida

    What about the 85-89 Merkur XR4Ti 2.3L Turbo

  211. ray friday meridian,ID

    I to was a owner of a Plymouth Cricket 4dr had no power but cheap on gas : By Chrysler Motor. Chrysler’s heart was never into selling small car in the U.S. and its dealers were perplexed. Chrysler squashed it just before the energy crisis, You could not to sup them up with there little engine of 132hp Just like the P.T. Cruses no power nice little car with no git-up-and-go only had 150 hp motor and I am a owner of one now .

  212. Kris Virginia

    LHD American Sold Ford Cortina, lest we forget... :candle:

  213. Kris Virginia

    LHD American Sold Ford Cortina, lest we forget... :candle:

  214. Kris Virginia

    LHD American Sold Ford Cortina, lest we forget... :candle:

  215. Kris Virginia

    LHD American Sold Ford Cortina, lest we forget... :candle:

  216. Bob Spahr Bradenton, Fl

    How many road worthy 1957 Ford Retractable skyliners exist? 1964 mustang convertables? I have one of each in Florida

  217. john OH

    Don't forget the Renault Caravelle - great little sporty car for it's time.

  218. Kevin New York City

    Gone is the late 1970s Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon, with the notch back (or bussle back). A small trunk by the standards of the 1970s, but designed for style.

  219. Mark Indiana

    What about the 1976/1977 Dodge Aspen R/T Super Coupe with the total police package...360 4bbl...

  220. Mark Indiana

    What about the 1976/1977 Dodge Aspen R/T Super Coupe with the total police package...360 4bbl...

  221. Mark Indiana

    What about the 1976/1977 Dodge Aspen R/T Super Coupe with the total police package...360 4bbl...

  222. Roberto Vermont

    Haven't seen an original 73 Honda Civic for a long time. Time was they were as common as muck.

  223. Amelia Wyoming

    I currently own a 1983 Dodge Mirada. :).

  224. Amelia Wyoming

    I currently own a 1983 Dodge Mirada. :).

  225. V8 USA

    I'd say good riddance… save for Corrdoba.

  226. Jim C. Los Angeles, CA

    Nobody's mentioned the famous AMC Pacer bubble car of Wayne's World fame? Incredible!

  227. PCL Boston

    I don't understand how anyone could consider the Monza a good looking car. The Vega, from which it was derived, was the best looking American small car of that era; with the Cosworth option, it actually made a respectable sporty coup, sort of an expensie mini-Camero. But the Monza was just strange looking. Neither were useful as people haulers, so it's no surprise GM wasn't taken seriously as a maker of small cars.

  228. Don NH

    Had a '73 Capri. It was my first car, I bought it in the late '90s. So damn awesome. V6, all factory options except automatic, I could actually work on it myself. Never easier to start up a conversation at the gas pump (don't forget the lead additive).

  229. Eric Nebraska

    I have a 1980 Chevy Monza 'Spyder' in my garage. Its all original except the wheels. I have owned it for almost 24 years.

  230. mark Florida

    I spotted an Isuzu Impulse in Twaine Harte California a couple of years ago. It was parked on the street and I took a photograph of it.

  231. Mickey Texas

    Correction to the Gentleman from Canton MI. The Laser XE was actually the Lux version of the Laser... including Turbo. I have said vehicle in my garage living in an auto cocoon (actually car cover). I found the car in 1986 when I was 11 years old. It was a 1985 model that was a dealer car. Then it was my mother who needed a grocery getter and I like to think I convinced my parents to purchase. I babied this car as a kid, washing it on the weekends. Later in High School, it was the special date car. I remember getting egged one night while driving it on a date with a girl named Amy . I was so pissed she actually got out and helped me clean it up. Anyway, the Laser XE in question has 42000 original miles, leather interior, digital dash with the talking "please close your driver door" computer which has affectionately been referred to as HAL over the last 2.5 decades. The car has always lived indoors and needs a little work, engine seals need replaced as it leaks fluids faster than you can put them in. A project for someday... had it this long, I imagine I will hand it down to my son. It still has the coolest Turbo wind up sound of any car ever. Perhaps I will get the car off the extinct list by getting it running this summer and give Hagerty the business... then again, it is kinda cool reading about it again.

  232. Mickey Texas

    Correction to the Gentleman from Canton MI. The Laser XE was actually the Lux version of the Laser... including Turbo. I have said vehicle in my garage living in an auto cocoon (actually car cover). I found the car in 1986 when I was 11 years old. It was a 1985 model that was a dealer car. Then it was my mother who needed a grocery getter and I like to think I convinced my parents to purchase. I babied this car as a kid, washing it on the weekends. Later in High School, it was the special date car. I remember getting egged one night while driving it on a date with Amy Shearer. I was so pissed she actually got out and helped me clean it up. Anyway, the Laser XE in question has 42000 original miles, leather interior, digital dash with the talking "please close your driver door" computer which has affectionately been referred to as HAL over the last 2.5 decades. The car has always lived indoors and needs a little work, engine seals need replaced as it leaks fluids faster than you can put them in. A project for someday... had it this long, I imagine I will hand it down to my son. It still has the coolest Turbo wind up sound of any car ever. Perhaps I will get the car off the extinct list by getting it running this summer and give Hagerty the business... then again, it is kinda cool reading about it again.

  233. ThatGuy Aridzona

    I had a Hagerty my first year in college. The shifter started acting funny, and I sold it to some hi school kid.

  234. Ron United States

    What about the Chrysler Cordoba?! Seen one of those lately????

  235. Ron United States

    What about the Chrysler Cordoba?! Seen one of those lately????

  236. Dave Austin

    I had a silver 76 Celica GT Liftback. It looked more like a Mustang than anything Ford was putting out at the time. I loved it. I put 325000 miles on it and drove it until I destroyed the whole drive train doing a hard down shift in 1992. I bought a silver 2006 Mustang GT in late 2006 mainly because it looked so much like My Celica. Deja Vu all over again.

  237. Dave Austin

    I had a silver 76 Celica GT Liftback. It looked more like a Mustang than anything Ford was putting out at the time. I loved it. I put 325000 miles on it and drove it until I destroyed the whole drive train doing a hard down shift in 1992. I bought a silver 2006 Mustang GT in late 2006 mainly because it looked so much like My Celica. Deja Vu all over again.

  238. TIM ILLINOIS

    I WORKED AT A PONTIAC DEALERSHIP IN MY HOME STATE AND BOUGHT A NEW FIERO IN 84 WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT. I HAD TO WAIT 6 MONTHS BECAUSE MINE WAS PAINTED BLACK. WHITE AND RED WERE PLENTIFUL BUT BKACK TOOK A WHILE .28 YRS LATER I STILL HAVE HER . SHE'S NOT REAL PRETTY BUT SHE GOT A NEW MOTOR AT 181,000 MILES. MY SON DRIVES A 1988 SE WITH THE 4 CYL AND 5 SPD 37 MILES PER GAL. FUN CARS. IM THE GUY THEY CALL ABT THESE CARS. HAD TO GO TO GM SCHOOL BEFORE DEALER COULD GET THEM

  239. Greg Nasville area

    I had a 1972 Mercury Capri in high school (early 1980's). When I got it it already had over 100k miles on it. It had the 4 cylinder engine and an automatic. Slugish to say the least!! I only drove it about 6 months and by then the engine was so shot it had a black smoke cloud behind everywhere I drove adn I had to add oil almost daily! lol!! My next high school car was a 1976 Datsun 200sx, also a somehwat rare care. It was fun to drive and I kept it into college before an accident totaled it due to lack of available parts.

  240. neil ontario canada

    Hagerty insures my 77 celica...thanks for that!

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